Wednesday, August 10, 2005

WAL-MART BAD

In an earlier post I postulated that Wal-Mart was preperation for the antichrist. I was only half kidding.

This Very Long reprint of a Fargo's newspaper's chat board about Wal-Mart attributes is being printed as read. Scan thru it and you will soon see that there is significant dissension in the ranks. Wal-Mart is either as evil as I proclaim or has the most incompetent public relations department on the planet.

If you shop at Wal-Mart after reading this in full you have more courage and or are more blind than most. Get ready to take the mark of the beast.


REPRINT FOLLOWS:


Marty
08/10 00:21 a.m. Quote from L.L. "Wal-Mart is the devil." He/she might be right. I go to WM when I have to, when it's the only place I can find what I'm looking for. While there, I shop, too. But I avoid the place as much as I can. Back to the "devil" quote, this is a situation that has ransacked retail stores and mom/pop operations across the country. Shoppers are lured by low prices that come at the price of other people's jobs, low wages, etc, all in the eternal search for more and more possessions. Here's a test: Go out and spend $100 on anything at all at Wal-Mart. Anything, I don't care, hardware, clothes, food items, whatever. Then put it out in your driveway the next weekend for a garage sale. Even new, still in the box, you won't recover $20! The flashy lure of possessions is indeed the work of the devil, i.e. a false god.
mcalleyboy
08/09 11:17 p.m. I do like shopping at Walmart there prices some are great, also like some items in the grocery store there's more variety and larger items on condiements such as A1 steak sauce, BBQ sauce comes in larger more economical sizes. Plus i can pick up a cheap DVD movie while i'm there, i don't worry about Walmart employee wages because i don't think to many folks are makeing a large wage anywhere in Fargo, some people make it working two jobs both spouses, this actually may be the norm.
hakko808
08/09 10:11 p.m. Yes I shop at walmart for some items. Being open 24 Hrs is a big plus for me. Most retailers carry the same core merchandise. I would like to buy more American made and quality goods, but there are not really many alternatives. Look past the fancier storefronts and look at the labels. As for Wal-Mart having a highe percentage of employees on welfare, perhaps they should be commended for being willing to hire those people while others are not.
Lisa
08/09 10:11 p.m. My other comment relates to all the statements about Wal-Mart offering low quality products...well, what I buy at Wal-Mart are things like soap, shampoo, deodorant, toilet paper, dog treats, CD's and DVD's...tell me how Target and the others all offer superior products for basic everyday items; Charmain is Charmain no matter if it's on the shelf at Wal-Mart, Target or wherever, or is their's a secretly inferior Charmain? Heavens, not that! I will also tell you I live in Bismarck so shop at the Wal-Mart in this town...guess we are lucky because this store is not dirty and unorganized, the help is friendly and curteous and I have seen many of the same faces there for several years so they all can't be unhappy.
Always Low prices :)
08/09 10:11 p.m. Fianlly.. Lisa is apparently the only one on here that understands all companies should pay employees the same. If Wal-Mart were to pay their people THAT much more, that would put all the other places out of business, or at least force them to raise their prices just to stay open. Just because Wal-Mart has the profits, doesn't mean they have to raise their wages. I'm sure there are alot of people on welfare that work at Target and K-mart. But both of those companies combined, probably still don't equal the number of employee's Wal-Mart has.... Why?? As it has been stated from everyone before... Wal-Mart is the Largest retail company in the nation. I'm sure no company wants to see it's workers on welfare. But it shouldn't be up to the larger companies to pay people more money. Why doesnt Bill Gates hire some of the people working at Wal-Mart?? That would solve some of the welfare issues everyone is concerned about. I'm sure HE can afford it. After all, he's one of the wealthiest, if not THE wealthiest man in the world.
Cheaper is Better
08/09 9:52 p.m. Wages are low everywhere, service is bad everywhere, employees are rude everywhere. I shop at Wal-Mart for the lower priced, same-brand-as-everywhere-else products. If you want to pay more where you perceive a more delightful shopping experience, go for it. I, on the other hand, will save that for my social life. When it comes to shopping, I go for convenience and lower prices.
WM Hata
08/09 9:52 p.m. If you shop at Walmart, why not just mail your check to the Peoples Republic of China? Cuz that's where all the US manufacturing jobs have gone and Walmart has a lot to do with that. Enjoy your cheap crap made with slave and child labor. Just think of those hard-working children's tiny hands everytime you walk into a Walmart, while watching the store profit by siphoning its revenue from your local economy. Walmart is probably the worst thing to happen to America and the best for China so let's not have any illusion about the supposed benefits of Walmart for any local economy.
Lisa
08/09 4:23 p.m. To everyone who bashes Wal-Mart because they "pay low wages, treat employees like dirt, and force the state and federal government to provide health coverage for their employees"...please advise me of how the current average wage of cashiers/stockers etc...at K-Mart, Target, Big Lots, etc...all compare? Don't people who work at these stores ever apply for Medicaid? Do they seem thrilled to be working at their rewarding jobs and reaping great benefits from those companies? I am not talking about managers...just your everyday hardworking people who do the grunt and customer service work - let's compare apples to apples and if there is that huge a discrepancy I will stop going to Wal-Mart. Of course if we all stop going to Wal-Mart the people who work there will be forced to go on unemployment and welfare, right?
Opinions
08/09 4:22 p.m. To everyone...I use to work at Wal-Mart, and yes on weekends, I did make more than the job I went to college for. Wal-Mart pays its employees well, I can now still go in the store and see about 10 of the employees I used to work with still working there. And I hate to point out one more thing on Target, but they are not open 24 hours like Wal-Mart...they do probably have more time to spiffy up their floofy store! I guess I came from the farm, to me Wal-Mart is just as clean as Target (atleast now with the SuperCenter addition). But this is just my opinion!
P
08/09 4:22 p.m. I hate Wal-Mart. Everything they sell is disposable, the store is crowded, the service is terrible. OK, occasionally if it is convenient or I am comparison shopping I will stop in. But that's rare. Big box retailers are ruining America. Perhaps that is unavoidable in a capitalist world, one where almost everybody is prone to shop based on price rather than product or service. And anybody who thinks a Big Box is a good place to work has never had a real job.
Used to live in ND
08/09 4:22 p.m. to No name poster: Your logic escapes me. Why should I have to pay more in taxes to support Wal-Mart workers when Wal-Mart can well afford to take care of their workers. The better question is; why wouldn't Wal-Mart want to pay their employees better, so they don't have to be on welfare. No other company has more people on welfare than Wal-Mart, period. Why would any company want this type of bad publicity, I don't know. If they pride themselves on how well they treat their employees then why does Wal-Mart continue to face such criticism. It's not like they can't afford it. It would take less than 1% of its profits to cover their workers in adequate health care. Geesh, it is beyond me why they don't want to be real leaders. And I adamantly disagree with you that it's not Wal-Mart's fault. they can do better. We all talk about personal responsibility. What about some corporate responsibility.
rhinocrister
08/09 4:22 p.m. I don't shop a Walmart unless I absolutely have to. I pefer to vote with my dollars and support local businesses when possible.

For other stuff, I'd much rather go to Target or Kohls, etc., as they have better quality goods, a better ambiance, and fewer slack-jawed troglodytes dragging their knuckles down the aisles.

What really irks me is that we are subsidizing Walmart - because they keep so many of their workers in position that don't qualify for decent benefits, many of those workers rely on goverment benefits to cover their health and welfare cost - money that is coming out of your pocket and mine. The US House Committee on Education and the Workforce put the price at $2000 per worker per year. Walmart rakes in the bucks, while we foot the bill.

It would be great if Fargo ever got a Costco - they have fewer selections (but better quality), roughly the same prices and they treat their employees much better - 82% of employee get health benefits vs Walmart's 45%, and Costco wages are 40% higher than Walmart on average.

As a result they have lower turnover and their employees are much more productive-and friendly. It's a win-win situation.
td
08/09 1:24 p.m. To Always Low Wages, uh, I mean, prices (Markus--Markus).. To answer your question.. my spouse is a Wal-Mart manager. There for, unlike other companies, I am not allowed to work in that store. I can in another store in the same city, but beings we are in ND, all cities have just one. I am not complaing about the amount I make, I am saying that I make less than a cashier at Wal-Mart. My spouse, a Wal-Mart emplyoee, is paid and WELL taken care of by this company. To USE TO live in ND... Again, it's not Wal-Marts fault that they have employees on welfare. Why should they have to raise their wages when no other company has to??? That is my question to you. I could ask the same thing about other companies.. Why can't the people that work at Wal-Mart find a job where they DON'T HAVE TO GO ON ASSISTANCE???? If there are so many companies out there that pay better than Wal-Mart, then I'm sure people would want to be working there instead. Nobody is being forced to work at Wal-mart, it's a choice.
Disillusioned ex-Walmart shopper
08/09 11:49 a.m. Walmart is always messy, their customer service is horrible, and the place is always crowded. If you shop around, you can find comparable items at Kmart, Target, or Big Lots for the same price(or less). To me, it isn't worth the migraine I get just walking into the place to shop there. And the groceries? I'd much rather support the local grocery stores than shop there, and the prices are better at the local stores anyway.
L.L.
08/09 11:44 a.m. TO Used to live in ND: I couldn't agree more. I read an article about a Wal-Mart employee who had a brain tumor. Wal-Mart management helpfully assisted him in filling out the paperwork for government assistance. Maybe we get a price break at the local Wal-Mart, but in the end we pay more by being forced to subsidize the wages of the employees. Wal-Mart is the devil.
emerald
08/09 11:44 a.m. I am continually amazed at the number of people who claim to not shop at WalMart. The largest and most successful retailer in the world. Then who goes there? Apparently your neighbors are afraid to tell you that they in fact do go there, and spend a lot of money on bulk toilet paper. Every person who walks through their doors contributes to these alleged abuses of their employees and suppliers. If you don't like WalMart, don't shop there, don't send your husband there, don't work there, don't give them tax breaks for super stores and don't sell them your goods. Until then, enjoy the 10 cent rolls of toilet paper.
chinacatsunflowers
08/09 11:43 a.m. My husband and I used to shop at Wal-Mart but we don't anymore. We got tired of the crappy service and cashiers that don't even acknowledge your existence (even as they're checking you out). The final straw was when they switched to those new bag holders that spin (at the register). So now the cashier can not only ignore us the whole time but can just leave our bags on the wheel for us to fight with. Ever get a cashier that turns the wheel for the next people in line and you're stuck having to go behind the counter to try and get your bags?! And then WE get a dirty look from the cashier! Wal-Mart was a Godsend when it first came to Fargo. Unfortunately, they now carry too many crappy and substandard products to make it worth our while to shop there. BUY LOCAL! It may cost a little extra (no, we do not have tons of extra cash just lying around the house either) but the rewards are tremendous. SUPPORT LOCAL BUSINESSES!
Used to live in ND
08/09 11:30 a.m. Always Low Prices: The question in this post is: Do you shop at Wal-Mart, why or why not? I answered the question, No because Wal-Mart does not treat their help humanely and because it uses the welfare system as its benefits structure. Now you may not like my response, but it is responsive to the question. Further, there is no justfication as to its pay and benefits structures and that is why you are so frustrated not being able to counter my arguments against Walmart. You then ask why people would have to be on Welfare if they have a job. That is a good question. Because the wages are so low. Wal-Mart is forcing people to shop at their company store when in reality we are paying more for those cheap items, we just don't see it. Our taxes go to those workers who work at Wal-Mart. I don't think I should have to subsidize the largest and most profitable retailer in the world when they can well afford to treat their help better. Other companies do it, so can Wal-Mart. Again, you haven't answered my question, Why should my tax dollars go to support a worker who is working for a multi-billion dollar company? Always Low Wages, uh, I mean, prices
08/09 11:30 a.m. I believe we are entitled to care when a company, as a matter of policy, pays people so low that they qualify for government assistance. That amounts to a taxpayer handout to one of the riches companies in America. I'll say this in defense of Wal-mart: at least they haven't forbiden their employees from applying for assistance, the way one feeder airline on the east coast did. (Nice to know the guys at the stick of that turbo-prop is worrying about how to feed is kids, isn't it?). So, if Wal-Mart is so swell, how come you're working as a hotel clerk? -- Markus -- Markus
TJ
08/09 11:30 a.m. Every Wal-Mart I have ever been in seems so filthy and revolting. Do they clean? At least at Target I am in a clean well kept store. I will pay the extra just to have a shopping experience that that is clean. Verna
08/09 11:30 a.m. Yes I shop at Walmart. It has saved me lots of money. In this age we have to save were we can to keep living.
Jo
08/09 11:29 a.m. I shop Walmart first. They have always been helpful and friendly. The people that work there say they have GREAT health insurance and benifits. It is only people who are jealous of Walmart that screem about them.
Jim Beam
08/09 11:29 a.m. All the talk about benefits, pay, sexual equality, etc...are just gossip from most. I don't know anyone who has ever worked at a Wal-Mart nor do I know the benefit and pay structures. All I know is I don't shop at Wal-Mart because it is dirty and unfriendly. I am lucky enough to not HAVE to shop there and spend a little more for a better experience elsewhere.
Taigann
08/09 11:29 a.m. Microsoft's employees are educated people who add considerable value to Microsoft's product. WalMart employees are your run-of-the-mill HS graduates (maybe) with few job skills. Hmm... I wonder why Microsoft pays more than WalMart...
td
08/08 11:24 p.m. to Buddy: French ownership is a myth. Target is 100% US owned. There is no foreign ownership of this MINNEAPOLIS based company. So did you know that you are contributing to a misconception? A misconception that is hardly fair to Target.
LikeTarget
08/08 10:45 p.m. Personally, I don't care for Wal-Mart's business practices, but more than that, I find that they offer cheap, low-quality items that have about 2 inches of dust them. I don't know why the store is so dirty, and I guess their regular shoppers don't mind it. But to me, I find that gross.
Buddy
08/08 10:43 p.m. Dis you know target is part owned by a company based in france. at least wal-mart is based in the good USA
NDGirl
08/08 10:19 p.m. That is so funny that you say that about the guy at the door cause I was JUST thinking that! All the employees I have interacted with have been crabby and acted like I was bothering them with my questions. The only time I go to Wal-Mart is when I can't find what I need else where and if my daughter is shopping with me (which doesn't happen often) because she loves that nice old guy at the door who gives her stickers! :) I also don't like Wal-Mart because I know a guy who used to work there and I asked him once if Wal-Mart really paid their male employees more then the females and he said they did, and that Sam Walton was very old fashion and did not beleive women should be working at all. Now I am not sure if that is really true or if they do that to this day, but it is still in the back of my mind when I am in that store. Unfortunately I do end up shopping there at times though. Earlier this summer I was looking for a certain kind of pool and after checking Target and K-Mart, I found what I was looking for at Wal-Mart. Too bad I didn't even think to look at Fleet Farm until after I bought it!! :)
Always Low Prices :)
08/08 9:11 p.m. To USED TO live in ND... This whole WELFARE thing is a totally different subject. Why should Wal-Mart have to pay their people any better than Target or K-Mart??? I know for a fact that Wal-mart starts their cashiers out ALOT higher than Target. I once worked for Target, and know people that do. Wal-mart has so many wel-fare people because, like everyone keeps saying... THEY ARE THE LARGEST RETAIL STORE IN THE COUNTRY!!! Why should a company (not Sam Walton's kids) have to raise their wages just because they make all that money every year?? Tell Target, and K-mart/Sears, and Hornbachers, and all the smaller companies to raise their wages as well. And Why would you need to be on wel-fare if you have a job??? I can see a LITTLE bit of goverment assistance for people that ABSOLUTLY need it. Most people on wel-fare just take it for granted. It's not Wal-marts fault that the wel-fare system works the way it does. I make less as a Hotel CLerk, than a Full Time Wal-mart cashier would. If you want to talk about welfare, then open up your own little chat and talk about JUST WELFARE. If you don't like Wal-mart, fine. That's your opinion to live with. Personally, I don't like to toss money away. I WORK hard for the money I do have. And if I ever find myself not being able to pay the bills.. then I guess I would need to find a new job if my current one wont give me a raise if they feel I dont deserve one. I would'nt say that they need to raise their wages. Anyway... This conversation has gone far beyond Wal-Mart. I don't care to talk about wel-fare, or minimum wage, or taxes. I would have looked at Political chats in that case. ***As for the lawsuit.. Because Wal-Mart is the LARGEST company in the nation, people, all kinds of people, will try and sue them every year. From tripping on their own shoe-laces in the parking lot-TO-a cart ran into my car and left damage. The women of this law suit obviously feel like they should be making LOTS of money and arent. You should be treated equal no matter what, I agree with that (and only that). But thats not all this law suit is about. It goes further than being equal.
Sugar.
08/08 8:34 p.m. That is too bad, but going otherplaces I will always go to Target. I rairly will even try to get into a Walmart. Unless it is in a small town. Really to think about it, the prices aren't really that much different either. Rather pay a couple cents more for quality anyday.
Brain
08/08 8:33 p.m. I try to do most of my grocery shopping at Wal-Mart. It just costs less. I'm a college student again and I need to get the most for my dollar. An average Wal-Mart employee makes like $9-$11 an hour. That was a lot more than my first fulltime job in the world of television. There's an industry where people think everybody makes a lot of money, but truth be told...A lot of people are making less than minimum wage in the radio and TV world...Nothing like making $20,000 a year(or less) in Fargo, Bismarck, Bemidji right out of college in the television world....
Beckie
08/08 8:33 p.m. Yes, I do. Becuz ours is a Superwalmart....and its sometimes easier to get everything in one place when you have young children. Some of the prices are low too.
JULIE
08/08 8:33 p.m. I think I like Wal-Mart the way it was. The grocery part does not have the variety that other stores do. I like to have several different selections to chose from. It is too big and takes to much time and they don't have that much help. It is so much of the self check outs. It can be nice, but I have been there 3 times now adn I believe I will continue to support the more local grocery stores, like Cashwise and Hornbachers. I like customer service. That is #1 in my book.
Ben Boone
08/08 4:05 p.m. In the town I used to live in, there were 2 WalMart Supercenters and a Target Supercenter. The Target center was always nicer. The prices were similar enough, but the staff, the atmosphere, and the quality was much nicer, by far. Not to mention that they had many register and they were OPEN, unlike every walmart I've been in, where they have a mile of registers but only 3-5 cashiers.
Used to Live in ND
08/08 3:11 p.m. To Always Low Prices: Also why would it make a difference whether the person was single or married with children. The fact that Wal-Mart has almost 10% ( and more in some states) of its workforce on welfare should be an embarrassment for any company much less one with profits as high as Wal-Mart. You have not answered my question: Why is there a higher percentage of Wal-Mart workers on welfare, then Target, K-Mart, Scheels, Hornbachers, etc.....? Hmmm. . . .
DONNIE FROM WOP
08/08 3:08 p.m. I agree that driving to Fergus Falls or Fargo to shop at Wal-Mart takes gas. IF our "President" keeps the gas price where it is we won't be able to shop anywhere. We need a super Wal-Mart right here in Wahpeton. Wal-Mart offers good service, fair prices, 24 hours. ALWAYS LOWER PRICES apeals to all of us and WELCOME TO WAHPETON NORTH DAKOTA !
Used to live in ND
08/08 3:07 p.m. Always low prices: The bottom line is that Wal-Mart has the most people on welfare of any company in the United States, period. It's not Microsoft, Ford, Qwest, It's WAL-MART. All those companies have married, single and kids/no kids. So why, Wal-Mart? It is not "gossip" that Wal-Mart is NUMBER #1 in the country for welfare for its associates. Again, check out www.goodjobsfirst.org. Read the newspaper articles and where they got the data, it is not rumor. And as to the discrimination lawsuit, it is not about women who call in sick at that time of the month. It is the largest class action lawsuit ever filed in this country, that means that Wal-Mart, if proven, will have created a system of treating its female employees differently than its male employees. It is about equal treatment, not special treatment. If there are some employees not doing their jobs, then management has the right to punish the employee or even fire them. I know they do that regularly as well. And so your answer to if someone has to be on welfare and have a job, then they need a different job, get real, they have a job, it's at the wonderful company of Wal-Mart that you have been praising in your post. Why don't they pay their people better. I love all the people who say "get off welfare, get a job!." You are now saying "get off welfare, because you have a job." Pulease!! 40% of families on welfare in ND are working a job. So the answer is that the wages are too low. So why doesn't Wal-Mart raise their wages, they can well afford to do it. Why can't they be like a MicroSoft which values their employees and want to retain them so they offer competetive salaries and benefits that allow families to live with a dignified existence. Too bad that Wal-Mart has decided to take the low road. Again, not one dime of my money will go to Wal-Mart, they are already getting too much of my tax money. They should pay their own way.
To sugar:
08/08 3:07 p.m. If I'm not mistaken, the Target store in Fargo is just being expanded (made bigger) not upgraded to a Super Center.
To Kay:
08/08 3:07 p.m. Buy your jeans elsewhere then. Why would you make the mistake more than once of buying jeans you have to replace monthly? Seems to me you'd learn after the first or for sure the second time.
Danielle
08/08 3:07 p.m. The reason Walmart is so crowded and packed is because so many people DO shop there. I see many more people at Walmart than I do at Target and let's face it, for most things, Walmart is less expensive. I have to admit though, I avoid the store as much as possible; I'm not a huge fan of crowds. I personally like Target's photo center better...Walmart's photo center is full of a bunch of crabby, overworked, over-stressed people.
Geo
08/08 2:14 p.m. Unfortunately, I occasionally will shop at WalMart, but I never make any large purchases there. A relative once worked for them and never complained of the wage or mistreatment, so can't vouch for those comments made by others. As far as the organization and store are concerned. Way back they advertised that they sold "American made products". Browsing their store these days made me realize two things 1.) Americans are absolutely way too materialistic and will throw away their supposedly hard earned money on absolute trash that doesn't even come close to being necessary! 2.) Product manufacturing in the United States has become nearly non-existent, overtaken by billions of sub-standard, cheaply manufactured, but brilliantly packaged and marketed products which are brought into this country from every possible third world country on the planet. When it comes to throwing away money on useless, unnecessary junk....Americans should get an award!
Always Low Prices :)
08/08 1:38 p.m. To "used to live in ND"... Your "friends" that are on welfare that work at wal-mart, are they single? Married? Kids/No kids? All of that makes a difference. "Wal-Mart Good Works" has more of the FACTS than anyone would considering they have worked at the company for many years. I would trust them over all of the "gossip" that's out there. As for benefits, I can tell you that they can offer much better medical than even Target. I worked at Target for 6 months, full time, and was NEVER offered medical insurance. Wal-Mart offers it after 90 days. For Single coverage it is $40 bi/weekly with a $250 Deductible, 20/80 coverage, and prescription coverage depends on the drug type. And as for you comment on THe sexual harrasment issue with women... It's exactly right, they don't want to be treated special, but equal. The thing is, they are treated equal. Except for when you have Asst Managers that are female, calling in during "that time of the month", because they are sick. How many men call in during the same time each month and miss 1-3 days of work??? I'm not saying all of them do, but here in ND there are a few Female members of management that do it. ALL THE TIME!!! That then makes more work for EVERYONE. So, why is it they are able to call in for that reason, and never get coached, or written up?? If a man were to call in once a month when he wants to stay home from drinking the night before, he's gonna get in trouble!!! And if people need to be on welfare when they have a full time job, then obviously they have the WRONG JOB for themselves!!
Sugar
08/08 1:37 p.m. Opinion: Just to let you know that I used to work at Kohls, and yes there are people who decide not to buy something and leave it somewhere else, or they just mess up piles of clothes, etc. But that is why companies like that make sure there are enough workers to keep up with it. By the end of the night, there would be stuff still a mess after people picking up all day long, but you know what, with in an 1/2 hour of the store closing, it would like like new again! It is about the workers and their respect for the place they work too. Not just the customers. Whenever I go to Walmart all the workers are crabby and I usually don't even get talked to at the register. About the only person who looks happy working there is the person greeting at the door with stickers for the kids!
Sugar
08/08 1:37 p.m. All I can say is... I can't waite till Target is a SuperCenter!! That will be where all my business goes! Much better quality products, and a more organized store. Not to mention that you can actually walk through it without running into everyone! I can't waite!
Come on!!
08/08 1:37 p.m. I shop at WalMart ONLY when I have to. Sunday night and I need diapers or formula...yeah, I am there. Any other time, I stay as far away as possible. They have their place in each community (I suppose) but you won't find me going there to buy groceries.
Opinions
08/08 11:56 a.m. I sure am glad these are just opinions, but some of you people who say that Wal-mart is dirty... I've seen Target at not-so-good times too! I don't think this should reflect on the store or the employees who work there. It has alot to do with the Fargo-Moorhead communities and the people who shop at these stores. People are just down-right rude! Let's pick up some clothes and then decide we don't want them and leave them in the food aisle. Employees can only keep up so much during the day...do not let this reflect on the store! It is people in the area that are dirty and disgusting! Clean up your shopping habits, maybe Wal-Mart and Target will both be a better place to shop at!
Grandma Janice
08/08 11:56 a.m. I live on social security and will drive past the local stores with their high prices so I can stretch the money I get. Some of my children and grandchildren also work for WalMart and they are good workers and like their jobs. Love WalMart. I live in a small town and know what high prices these stores charge. More people need to shop out of town... wake up small towns.
Walmart Sucks!!
08/08 11:56 a.m. Not to be a alarmist, but in not so distant future we all will be working for Walmart. It will going to eat a Walmart,mmmmm. Checking out a new movie at Walmart. Buying a new car, life insurance, travel, eyeglasses ALL your banking needs. Just goofin', but they are making steps to move into or are already in these markets. They might have lower prices, I just can't support any of their stores. I think it is a blight on the economy of USA.
momof1
08/08 11:55 a.m. I will ONLY shop Wal-Mart if there's an emergency and no other stores are open. Wal-Mart is too busy and so packed with people it's hard to get around. I will also agree with Kay that it's too much of a warehouse look. My Family DOES NOT shop Wal-Mart.
PAT
08/08 11:55 a.m. WALMART IS A DIVE COMPARED TO TARGET....
Ang
08/08 11:55 a.m. As much as I hate it, yes I do. Walmart is generally dirty, packed, and chaotic. That said, it's also the only place I can get a key made on a Sunday nite; buy socks at 4 a.m.; and order a Happy Meal in line. (I've never done the latter and consider it to be a perfect example of how lazy our society is). Walmart doesn't pay employees a living wage, and takes advantage of the poor people who work and shop there. Walmart basically contributes to the white-trash pattern rather than help rectify it.
Used to Live in ND
08/08 10:12 a.m. Sorry, "Walmart good works", but when you look deeper at the benefit structure of America's largest employer, they can and should do better by their workers. I know Wal-Mart Associates who are on welfare because of the poor wage and benefit structure at Wal-Mart. Tell m e why doesn't Wal-Mart do better by their employees when they can well afford to do so. Other large employers do much better for their employees than Wal-Mart. As far as your health care, how long did you have to wait to get covered, what are your deductibles and what are your out of pockets, what about prescription. Just saying you pay 40 buck biweekly doesn't tell the entire picture, is it for a single or family. and for the poster who clearly misunderstands the sexual discrimination lawsuit, it's not that women want to be treated "specially" they want to be treated EQUALLY. Again, why should I have to pay more in taxes to support Wal-Mart employees. In almost every state that has checked their assistance records, Wal-Mart is the NUMBER 1 uses of government welfare. Not a record to be proud of that's for sure
Alex
08/08 10:11 a.m. It's great. Now, while shopping for one or two items at a Wal-Mart Supercenter, I get even MORE opportunity to run into aimless old people and hillbillies who enjoy spending hours upon hours getting in my way. Better yet, they'll have 30 checkouts and only 4 will actually be open so we can stand 10 deep for 30 minutes to spend ten bucks. Meanwhile, at the front of the line somebody is arguing about the 29 cents that she was overcharged. Oh, yes! I can't wait for my next trip to the Wal-Mart Supercenter!
Dlr
08/08 10:11 a.m. Unfortunately, I do. I try not too, but since they came to our town we have very few other stores left. I've been trying to go to K-Mart more lately. In DL their store's a lot cleaner and you actually have some room to move between the isles. There is one thing though that I will NEVER do. That is use the Walmart "self" checkouts. Walmarts already hurt our country enough by taking well paying jobs away from Americans by paying people in other countries peanuts. While their low paying checker jobs may not be the greatest job in the world, at least they're a job. And.... I think the owners of Walmart are making enough money. I don't need to wait on myself so they can line their pockets even more.
walmart good works
08/08 08:57 a.m. I agree with the comments that "always low prices" made. I am a long term Wal-Mart associate. As for pay & benefits, they are better than a lot of other industries & retail stores in the area. Benefits and hours are offered to associates, but that doesn't mean that certain associates accept them. If someone doesn't want to work, they won't work over certain amounts of hours,show poor work ethics, etc. The link to Wake up Wal-mart,had many falsehoods about Wal-Mart, especially about the associates benefits. I pay only $40 biweekly for the minimum deductable($350),not $240 for an unspecified deductable that was stated on that web site. I don't know what company those people were working for, but it isn't Wal-Mart. I have worked in several stores and I find no truth to what their testimonies say. As for giving back to the community, each store has an annual budget of grants and donations they must give, many organizations benefit from Wal-Mart each year. Just look at the Good Works bulletin boards that are located in almost every store or ask the manager. Look at the local childrens hospital in your area, who donated/ raises money year after year for them? How many businesses donate to organizations that their associate volunteer at, just to give back to their community as part of a grass roots giving? Wal-Mart does. As for making competeion go out of business, it all depends how a business reacts to competetion. As an associate, I always referred customers to more specialized stores such as Scheels, Macs, etc for items that I know that they carried and we did not. Look along 13th Ave in Fargo & Highway 10 in Dilworth/Moorhead. How many of those businesses were there 14-15 years ago before Wal-Mart, and how many have come to town since? People have the right to work & shop where they choose, my choice is Wal-Mart, because I know the truth behind the company.
Markus: Let the fun begin
08/08 08:57 a.m. To all who support Wal-Mart, and the export of American jobs and their replacement with low-wage service positions, I look foward to your active support in ending the sugar program, farm supports, and for the closure of the North Dakota airbases. Also, please make sure your representatives know that you support the elimination of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, student loans, and all other activities that support the American middle class. If you vote with your pocketbook, be careful what you vote for. Wal-Mart is just a symptom of a deeper problem, the radical redistribution of wealth in this country for the middle class to the corporate class (upper management and stockholders). Don't complain when your job is gone, and a nice part-time job on 13th with no benefits if your only option.
DG Moore
08/08 08:56 a.m. WallMart is just the latest target of the politically correct crowd most of whom spend a lot of time worrying about the plight of lower income Americans but want to eliminate a business that offers low prices. Why is WallMart somehow different from KMart, Target, Menards, Fleet Farm and other big box retailers which have transformed retail trade providing lower prices and far more selection.
Kay
08/08 08:56 a.m. every time i walk into walmart i get tired, just because that store has no character other than looking like a ware house. they really aren't that cheap, especially when you have to go back ever month to replace a pair of jeans you got there that just don't seem to hold together at all. they're one of the biggest importers of chinese products in this country, and i'm not sure why people are saying that they have "american made" products. maybe they do, but there's not a lot. and just think, now people in america aren't making money working on it, people in china are, and they're most likely not making very much. as for the accusation that they only pay minimum wage, i have a first hand account that their starting wage is $7-$8. people who are getting paid minimum probably said that they'd work for minimum. they drive other competetors out, and if they get rid of them all, then they have a monopoly, and then they would have the lowest prices and best quality merchandise, because they'd be the only place to shop. think of rockefeller if any of you have studied history.
Dave
08/08 08:56 a.m. Many of you do not understand one thing about our economy. First, if everyone was to "buy american" our economy would collapse in a matter of months. Our economy depends of trade just like China, Japan, Taiwan, and other countries. If you were up on history you would know that. In the 1930's "buy american" and trade restrictions almost ruined us. One of the chief reasons why Pearl Harbor was attacked is because we cut off their assets. Now about walmart, why is everyone picking on them?? I guess "big" frightens a lot of people. Many complain about their wages and benifits but what about the rest of Fargo?? Finding a decent job in this town is very dificult. Everywhere you go unless you have a college degree you will be paid $7 to $9 to start. I don't know how people can live on that. So if you want to point the finger over wages, point at the entire community, not just walmart. I have a family and money doesn't grow on trees. Walmart saves me money. If you don't like walmart then don't shop there or work there :)
Union supporter
08/08 08:55 a.m. Ask any Walmart employee how they are treated....ask them if they are allowed to receive health insurance....ask them if they "really" get the respect an employee should get. I bet all the answers would be the same...NO! Walmart corporates only care about the bottom line. Would YOU like to be treated like that?????
B.
08/08 08:55 a.m. Look at the parking lot at Wal-Mart sometime, there is so much oil from the customers'cars that the asphalt is a huge oil slick and it's actually breaking down. It's always overcrowded and the store is so jampacked from the floor to ceiling with junk that it's hard to even move around. I'll drive out of the way, and gladly pay more for the atmosphere in Target over that ANYDAY. Not to mention that they refused to sell one of Sheryl Crow's albums........
Gail Gebhardt
08/08 08:55 a.m. I shop at Walmart only when I know something I need is cheaper there. I hate shopping there because it is always too crowded and hard to get through the aisles
jenny
08/08 08:55 a.m. i dont agree with most of you i work at a supercenter as a cashier and we are treated better then working some where else and we do really care about our customers and everybody
Kari
08/08 08:55 a.m. I hate Walmart. I refuse to shop there. The stores are dirty, and the employees are not friendly. I would MUCH rather shop at Target where they have friendly employees and a clean environment.
Brett
08/08 08:55 a.m. Don't spend money at wal-mart what do they do for us??? I am an anti-walmart WAL-MART SUCKS
D.R.P. Moe
08/08 08:55 a.m. Wal-Mart is best when it has competition. Isn't that the American way. I wish Wal-Mart sold electricity and natural gas.
Fast Food
08/08 08:54 a.m. I hope all of you who refuse to shop at Walmart for various reasons also refuse to eat at any fast food restaurant as most of your decisions for refusing to shop there also apply to the fast food industry. tr
08/08 08:54 a.m. I can't believe all the negative comments on Walmart. They are a very good store and they don't rip you off on prices like other stores do. I have no sympathy for any store that can't complete. I'm saving money and that's all I care about. I do as much shopping at Walmart as I can. Same thing with Sam's Club.
L.L.
08/08 08:54 a.m. I would rather go without than shop at Walmart. Wal-Mart is ruining our economy. I read in Mother Jones that 1 in 125 people in the US work for a Wal-Mart..and the jobs they offer are crap and the people that work there can't even afford the junk they sell. They had a "buy American" campaign that they dumped mighty quickly when they realized that China could provide inferior product at a very low cost. They are responsible for the outsourcing of American jobs and the American way of life. I saw a PBS special on Wal-Mart that talked about our increasing trade deficit and related it to Wal-Mart's buying policies. To compete, other businesses have to buy from China as well. What does that make the US? A 3rd world country that exports raw materials and imports finished product. What will happen when all of the Wal-Marts have the automatic check out lines installed? All those fabulous clerk jobs will go away too. I guess those lucky shelf stockers will still be employed.
ndrocker
08/08 08:54 a.m. unfortunately, where else can a person afford to shop with the poverty/sub-poverty wages paid in this area! It certainly isn't the poor, cheap, poorly made, too small products that is the reason!
L.M. Larson
08/08 08:54 a.m. I try not to shop there. It is usually to crowded. I prefer Target. Dave (the progressive)
08/08 08:54 a.m. I do not and will never shop at Wal-Mart, except in an emergency. The main reasons center around social justice issues, of which Wal-Mart is perpetrating of some of the worst crimes in the industry.
Bill J
08/07 10:22 p.m. I shop Walmart! Why? Because where I live there is no store to keep me here. There is no Kmart or Target and Pamida does not carrie a selection for me to shop there. What has this to do with Walmart? Their prices and selection product makes the trip worth it.
Tim
08/07 10:22 p.m. I won't spend a penny at Walmart! One of my favorite local stores recently closed their doors because of the competition from the Walton billionaires. I don't think superstores are a good thing for our community; in fact, I think they hurt all other retailers now including our local grocery stores which have been here for many years. I would like to see Walmart go right down the drain!
In depth reporting.
08/07 10:21 p.m. On page A9 of Sunday's Forum, at the top of the page the 4 photos labeled "the players" The manager of the Detroit Lakes Walmart is quoted as saying he likes walmart as a company. Wow, how many weeks of undercover reporting did it take to get a store manager to publicly say he likes his employer? (Which happens to be one of the most ruthless corporations in the world.) Why was there no reporting on why Walmart has no unions? Also, Why was there no reporting about the tactics Walmart uses to stop unions from organizing their workers? (Such as hiring dozens of additional workers right before a organization vote, in order to stop organizers from getting the necessary percentage of votes.) Why was there no reporting about Walmart having a large staff of anti union lawyers and consultants on alert at a moments notice from store managers? I guess getting a scoop such as the store manager "liking walmart as a company" is in depth enough.
No Way
08/07 10:20 p.m. Nope I don't. I agree with Auror and also because WalMart strong arms companies and their prodects into lowering prices and running some into the ground. Google Vlasic Pickles and Walmart.
donnie from Wop.
08/07 10:20 p.m. Wal-Mart is good for all. They have good prices and ar open when you need them ! Isn't that a good reason enough to support Wal-Mart. Instead of driving to Fergus or Fargo I woild like to see a super Wal-Mart right here in Wahpeton.( put one up on Highway 13 West of town). Bush holds the gas prices so high that a store here would save people lots of money both ways !"WELCOME TO WAHPETON NORTH DAKOTA" ! " City of lights and friendly people" WAHPETON WAL-MART ... Sounds nice !!!!!
Just say no!
08/07 10:19 p.m. Walmart is a huge monopoly, throughout American history we have had the courage and foresight to break up monopolies, to provide a better living for our citizens. When will the general public wake-up to the simple fact that saving a few dollars is in reality jeopardizing what it truly means to be an American? Supporting Walmart's efforts to control such a large share of the consumer market, will eventually end up costing each of us much more than a few dollars and cents. Is it worth it in the long run? I have made a personal decision to show my concern with: their corporate plans to close local businesses, their improper treatment of underpaid employess, and the low quality of the cheap merchandise they import, by not letting Walmart profit from me. You have that power too.
BJC
08/07 10:19 p.m. Most people commenting here are very short-sighted. On the average, Wal-Mart does NOT save you money. They are what is called a "loss-leader" retailer: they pull you in with a couple dozen under-priced pieces of merchansdise, then gouge you in the hopes you'll purchase other items. This is how it works, people. If you want to think ONLY of yourselves and not your community, by all means: shop at Wal-Mart. Just don't whine when your community becomes a giant strip mall with no character and is robbed of its last reason to move to ND. And you people wonder why our state has such a crappy reputation.
Captian K
08/07 10:19 p.m. I refuse to go into a Walmart, they are very skilled at telling about how much they give back to the community but the money that they give back comes at the cost of wages and benefits to thier employees, or as I should say nowadays associates. The name change from employees to associates show how todays corporations think that a different label will make people happy. Any Walmart I have seen or been into is dirty starting with the parking lot and the stores that sell clothes all stink from the chinese crap that they love to peddle. I think walmart is where most of the bottom feeders shop, my wife and I are both on social security and we will go without before spending a damn dime at walmart, companies like them are what is causing the loss of the blue collar or middle class in this country. I cannot trust any company that puts profits and the bottom line above everything else. The local store cannot order what they want, the corporate offices do all of the ordering and I bet they even tell the stores how high to have the temperate set.
ROD
08/07 10:18 p.m When the only place left to shop at is a Wal-Mart, then how will you know if you are paying the lowest price?. Cities like Fargo can attract enough big-box business' to have price competion. Your smaller communities cannot. Ever notice Wal-Mart does not officially post prices on their TV adds? You don't pay the same price for items from one Wal-Mart to another. They know which items are in higher demand in one locality as to hook you in with the "low price" image, then nail you with the item you most likely will buy. Didn't Wal-Mart boast "American Made" at one time in their corporate cycle only to be caught with so many out of country products on their shelves that it was impossible to count? And didn't they also boast wholesome family values only to be exposed for selling very high volumes of tobacco, alcohol, and firearms. Very wholesome.
Bernie
08/07 10:17 p.m. I do not shop Wal-mart because they try to put other business out of business, they bankrupt vendors buy their business methods, don't want to let them make any profet so they can stay in business. I don't feel their stors are clean and have poor quality products.
Sprawl-Mart
08/07 10:17 p.m. Wal-Mart is one of the world's largest corporations and is dead last in giving to charities.
luv wally!!
08/07 10:17 p.m. i luv wally world...what a buy in groceries compared to these other crooked grocerie stores with crappy fruit and veggies...and how about the gutless north dakota legislature in not changing the pharmacy law allowing wally world pharmacies. talk about a rip in meds...not to mention the delay tactics to keep wally from selling gas..go wally world kick butt!!!
MTMike, Butte
08/07 10:17 p.m. Used to shop at Wal mart, but not any more. Two reasons: sometimes shoddy merchandise (especially clothing)that is not worth even the low price, and the fact that so many wal mart employees find Medicaid preferable to the so-called "benefits" offered by the company. I just don't view a Wal Mart as a net benefit to most communities, unless low prices are the only measure of value to those communities. Wal Mart does great PR work for itself, but I don't think there is a more calculating and cynical business model out there. Preservation Diva
08/07 10:17 p.m. I have in the past shopped in the Wal-Marts but don't believe it is good for our local economy plus it contributes to urban sprawl. That's true, the prices can't be beat though the toilet paper prices have really skyrocketed as of late. I think the stores are sort of dirty. If you want to contribute to lining the pocketbooks of the Walton Family and ship that money back to Bentonville, go ahead, be my guest.
brianna
08/07 10:17 p.m. It os my opinion that when Walmart comes to town, everything else goes. I have actually seen it happen in the town in which I live. We used to have a busy downtown, with numerous women's stores; numerous men's stores, and now pretty much all we have is Walmart and K-Mart. The town in which I live has not grown that much since the 60's, yet almost all decent shopping has closed downtown. When the mall came to town, that was not nearly as detrimental to the downtown and to shopping itself as when the Walmart came to town. I, like every other shopper enjoy a good bargain, but have you ever looked at the quality of the clothes that Walmart sells? Friday, I was looking for a skirt at the Super Walmart, and the edges were not even finished off, my God, the first time that I would have washed that skirt, it would have fallen apart. Then the strings were not even cut. Yes, I could have purchased that skirt very cheap, but in reality, it would have been expensive, as it was actually a disposable skirt-- Our new Walmart Super Store is very dark inside once the sun goes behind a cloud. I was shopping, and thought the power went off, when a cloud simply passed over. I have never been in the store at night, but I can imagine how dark it must be. I guess I would rather have higher quality merchandise, made in America as Sam Walton promised America when Walmart first began spreading throughout the country. Thank you for allowing me to express my opinions. Shop at your other stores while you still can... They are bound to disappear when Walmart comes to town.
Always low prices :)
08/07 10:16 p.m. I'm a little confused why everyone would be so upset about a company that they have to protest it's coming to town. It's just like another car dealership. hospital, construction company, hotel, etc. Every company deserves to be in a town reguardless of little "mom and pop" stores. This isn't the 1900 anymore. Things change and towns get bigger... And as for paying their employees less money??? That's a joke. I have a friend that started at Wal-Mart for $8.00. He just got a raise, after 3 months!! I had to wait over 18 months to be making that much an hour where I work, because i work for an INDEPENDENT company. I pay DOUBLE the medical insurance PER paycheck than a Wal-Mart emplyee does. And where this whole "female employee" lawsuit comes from boggles my mind. Just because you're a women doesn't mean you should be treated differently. I thought that was what the whole womens movement was about. Be treated equally. I don't know of any Wal-Mart female manager being paid less because she is female. Every manager starts at the same wage, unless you have been there for several years and are already making close to that. ***There are less than a dozen items that I can't buy at Wal-Mart. If they carried them, I would. But otherwise, if I can't find it at Wal-Mart, chances are I just don't need to have it. They save you lots of money.
John Q. Public
08/07 10:15 p.m. I do like the store and they have good prices but I rarely shop there. I would rather support stores that have deep roots in the F-M area, like Hornbachers and Scheels.

Wal-Mart's politics, policies, and morals have gone right down the drain since Sam Walton left the helm. His heirs have turned his dream into a bastard child.
Lois Anderson
08/07 10:15 p.m. I shop at walmart (against my better judgement) since there is no Traget store in the city we live in (Seymour Indiana). The people down here have a walmart mentality. I prefer to be waited on by a person and not have to wander through the store looking for something. Walmart never has double coupon days like the other grocers. In our city there is Walmart super store and one other chain grocer. Neither has much of a selection. Give me Target any day.
tr
08/07 10:15 p.m. I shop there because it's a lot better them K MART. The store is just better stocked with everything, plus it's cheaper, and the employees and management at Walmart are better then K Mart.
Used to Live in ND
08/07 10:15 p.m. I refuse to shop at Wal-Mart, even if they are the last store on Earth. They are causing our race to the bottom for worker wages. For those who think they are saving money by shopping,think again. Many, many states have recently reviewed the private companies who use state welfare programs the most. The big winner: Wal-Mart. No wonder they can sell so cheap, you and I don't see the extra money we pay in taxes so they can pay cheap wages. They use the welfare system in every state so they don't have to pay benefits. Check it out for yourself: www.goodjobsfirst.org. The data comes from the each state's welfare organization and was in most cases, reported in the area major newspapers. I wonder how many so called "well-paid" Wal-Mart Associates receive your tax dollars because Wal-Mart refuses to pay their associates. That cheap item you just purchased just went up because you failed to add the additional tax dollars to pay for Wal-Mart's profit margin.
Michelle
08/07 10:14 p.m. I shop at WalMart all the time. I especially love to be able to get my groceries and other necessities at the same place instead of going to 2-3 different stores. However, I feel that the workers are not very friendly and the store has become even more congested with the super walmart being built. I will continue to shop at walmart for their low prices and the fact that everything i need is in one area.
Dan Madsen
08/07 10:14 p.m. I once went to a Wal-Mart. I had a Christmas gift with a Wal-Mart reciept, I exchanged the product for cash, went to Target and bought the exact same thing. (for the same price, I may add) This company is destroying our communities, our people and the fabric of our country. Sure, its Capitalism, but the idea of opening your own retail business is fading fast. Maybe its gone forever. Low wages, anti-union, labor suits (OMG, you'd think they'd leran). But ... bottom line ... its cheaper to pay off the government in fines and fees (in the Billions), than it is to be fair to their workers, their communities and their customers. Its the evil empire. It's a shame they have to exploit econmically distressed communities. "Coincidence" as quoted in your article? I don't think so.
Danny B.
08/07 10:13 p.m. I don't shop at Walmart or any other stores that treat all customers the same "like criminals," A guy can't even scratch his butt without it showing up on some camera. I shop almost entirely online, except for groceries then it is anywhere but Walmart.
Mike S
08/07 1:59 p.m. Yes, I shop at Wal-Mart. I live in a community that recently enlarged its store into a Super Walmart. I am very impressed with the look of this new store and the efforts they went to to work with the community. They even built a huge soundwall behind their store to shield the housing development from noise. They are paying for everything. Landscaping, trees, etc to try to make it look nice behind the store. I think the company is ran by human beings. Who, like anyone else, may make mistakes from time to time. But, this company has been impressing me recently, by many changes and decisions regarding its policies.
Bud M
08/07 1:58 p.m. They are not interested in suipporting local activities like other merchants do. Their good prices do not always represent quality merchandise
Wally World
08/07 1:58 p.m. Wal-Mart used to be a fine company - back when Sam Walton ran the place. His greedy children and Wall Street have caused the company to resort to cutthroat practices in order to keep the earnings per share price growing. The company has NO loyalty to its employees despite the smiling faces you see in their con ads. No - I do not give Wal-Mart a penny.
Ruth R
08/07 1:40 p.m. I am handicapped. I find a parking space with my handicapped sticker. I ride in a motorized cart and pick up my groceries. All employees are kind and ask if they can reach me something, etc. When I check out, someone is called to walk me to my car and put my groceries in my trunk. It is all done with kindness and courtesy. The person that goes to my car with me will drive the cart back into the store for me. They can't be tipped because I have tried. I think they are great.
LindaLu
08/07 1:40 p.m. The grocery prices can't be beat! Hornbacher's does not offer that selection. I am saving sometimes $2 per item when I shop at Walmart vs. Hornbacher's. Their rival Target does do a far superior job when it comes to speedy checkout lanes. The bottom line for me is that Walmart saves me money. With the cost of raising a family these days every little bit saved, helps.
Auror
08/07 1:05 p.m. I will never shop at Wal-Mart again. I work under the "three strikes" principal: 1. 47% of all full-time Wal-Mart employees in Montana qualify for medical assistance. The company should be ashamed of themselves. 2. When a Wal-Mart store in Canada tried to unionize, Wal-Mart SHUT THE STORE DOWN. More than that, they sent a letter to every employee in that store alerting them that they would never be hired at a Wal-Mart ANYWHERE. 3. When Wal-Mart was found in a supprise inspection to have 16 year olds working cardboard balers and chainsaws, the company made a deal with the US Labor Dept. Now, they receive a 90 day writen notice of any supprise inspection. I choose not to shop at Wal-Mart because they pay their employees a pitiance, destroy any attempt of workers to better themselves, and bypass any safegaurds that protect their employees lives. Those factors far outweigh the few pennies I can save on my shopping bill.
Dawn in Anchorage
08/07 1:04 p.m. I shop there because of prices and they have what I want. There are no K-Marts or Targets here. However when the K-Mart was here I used both stores,using Wal Mart more.
Carol
08/07 1:04 p.m. I use to shop at Wal-Mart in our community until it was upgraded to a Super Wal-Mart. I find I do not like the "ware house" feeling, I do not find the varities of merchandiz or different size options that use to be. I find racks and racks of like merchandize and merchandize that is ordered in to specifically put on clearance racks. (How can you clearance something that was never on the racks to start with?) The quality of the clothes merchandize is really quit sad. I also have seen the smaller "Mom & Pop" bussinesses unable to compete shutting them down. That is really to bad. The power of this store forced a neighberhood into having Wal-Mart move into their back yard. An area that was zoned for residentional was rezoned for commercial to accomidate Wal-Mart. This was done at great protest from the neighborhood that would be affected and good part of the community. Sometimes things get to big and the power that they hold is not good. There are occasions that I go there but that is because the "Mom & Pop" that I use to go to is closed, I have no choice. I simply WILL NOT buy my food there.
Walmart is fine
08/07 12:35 a.m. Walmart is fine. They lower their prices because they have a better business model. Could Walmart pay their people more? Probably, it's one of the richest, if not the richest, companies in the world. But your local grocery store, hardware store, retail store that hires all their employees part time and pays them slightly above minimum wage with no benefits could sure do a lot more to give their employees more pay. *worked at a grocery store chain in a small town in ND for $5.50/hr trying to work my way through college in the late 90s to early 2000s, was basically a back end/stock manager on weekends towards the end with the exact same pay while they were hiring new people for $6/hr that I was training in, quit, would've loved to work at Walmart doing the exact same thing WITHOUT the back end management duties for $8-10/hour*
Kris
08/07 12:35 a.m. I try to avoid Walmart at all costs. The store is dirty the merchandise is shoddy and in most cases their prices are no lower than their rivals. There have also been researched reports that Walmart tends to shift money from public schools to private. Check out the report!
yuckie walmart
08/07 12:34 a.m. I prefer Target. It's cleaner, less congestive and they don't go in to towns to purposes put small business out of business, like Walmart does. I think Walmart is greedy, dirty and unncessary.
Richard S
08/07 12:34 a.m. too big, to much price fixing, too many products produced outside US. Too much under cutting of wages and poor treatment of employees. Prefer local based TARGET STORE and locals like Shceels.

08/07 12:34 a.m. Super-Walmart is wonderful. I save a ton of money shopping there. I cannot believe how much cheaper their groceries are. I don't understand why small towns wouldn't want them. The only people in the small towns not benefitting from Super Walmart or just Walmart are the actual business owners. A small percentage. The actual people of the town can not only save a lot of much needed money shopping there, but can get better jobs. They are going to make more money hourly (do you think other small town businesses are paying an average of $9.50/hr?), have many more full-time workers and have much more and better benefits. It's a win/win situation in my opinion.
Paul J
08/07 12:33 a.m. I see nothing wrong with having Super Wal-Marts in town. They offer a wide varity of goods at reasonable prices. I however, do not shop Wal-mart...for all they offer, they do not offer leisure or convenience. I like shopping in a store that is not packed with customers, and where I don't have to walk a mile to get from my car to the front door. But if others don't mind, I don't mind either.
LindaB
08/07 12:33 a.m. Absolutely not. I shop at independently owned stores or at Target, which donates 5% of its pre-tax profits to local non-profit organizations. It is worth paying SLIGHTLY more for goods in order to keep higher quality employers in town. A race to the bottom ultimately sucks the economic vitality out of a community. Rock bottom retail prices aren't all they're cracked up to be in the long run.
Reader
08/07 12:33 a.m. I typically don't like to shop at Wal-Mart, but I will make a special trip to purchase items only they supply. For instance, I love their "Great Value" brand coffee. LOVE IT! I had read a review giving it great ratings and decided to try it out. It is seriously the best tasting coffee I've ever bought. And I've been through quite a few brands. But, I digress. For larger cities which can handle the competition of several big retailers like Wal-Mart...it's great. But, it is sad to see what happens in smaller towns where shops are gobbled up by it. In my mind, Wal-Mart harkens back the time Sears-Roebuck had a similar influence for what --a hundred years or so, starting with their cataloges? Someday, Wal-Mart will be a big ol' dinosaur of the past.
Ben B
08/07 12:32 a.m. I shop at wal-mart for specific items. I'll shop there for food, and the occasional medication, but I generally shop somewhere else for electronics, or anything that could be fragile.
Mike
08/07 12:32 a.m. I shop at walmart yes. The lower prices and availabity of products I want is good. So I shop there. Go to any other place in town its alot higher on groceries and simple household items.
Tricia C
08/07 12:32 a.m. I do shop at Wal-Mart occasionally, but I try to avoid the place. I find the stores to be smelly and dirty and the employees to be unfriendly. Target is definitely my discount store of choice. Prices may be slightly higher at Target, but I'll pay a few cents more to shop in a clean, friendly store.
ED
08/07 12:31 a.m. I do almost all of my shopping at Wal Mart to save money. When your entire income is from Soc. Security you have to shop there. The other retailers I shop there for their advertised specials only and fresh meats.
DrNick
08/07 12:31 a.m. I try not to shop ther because of the poor treatment i have gotten and plus the editing of music and lower quality products(ie computers) Evry hing they have i can get from the internet and my own business online
donnie from wop
08/07 12:31 a.m. WAL-Mart is fair, Wal-mart has a good selection, they are there 24 hours to serve you. Wal-Martis not hurting anybody. Just good clean competition. No wonder it is Americas choice in this free market age. I LOVE WAL-MART !
buddie
08/07 12:31 a.m. they are too big - pay their help little - messy isles all the time - cheap quality stuff
Wonderful Place To Shop
08/07 12:31 a.m. It saves you money on every item you buy. Also think of all the jobs it provides and keeps the unemeployment rate down. I think anyone would welcome Walmart to their town.Who like paying more for less ? I used to be a Target shopper, until I did a price comparison at Walmart, what a difference on every item !!! I think Wakmart is WONDERFUL !!! And, they are here to stay, so why not enjoy the store that saves you money and a;ways the items in stock ??????
Eddie
08/07 12:30 a.m. Both WalMart and Karmart and Target generally have nice products to buy, although they are catering to a different cliente. My major concerns are that any of these large businesses can destroy the local downtown community and that they have shaky history when it comes to labor relations.
Gern
08/07 12:30 a.m. It would take an act of Congress to get me set foot inside one of those stores.
Aberdeen, SD
08/07 12:30 a.m. We just went through a big fight down here over a Super Walmart (SWM). When it went to a vote of the people Walmart won with 81.2% of votes. Many of us welcome Walmart and think it's the best thing that could ever happen. Because of the opponents cheap tactics in the June vote, many of us, including me won't even shop at the stores that tried to stop SWM. If you can't compete, then go out of business. I'm not going to pay more so the little guy can live in grand style. Our SWM will open next year.
Gloria W.
08/07 12:30 a.m. I do not shop at Wal-Mart because of the substandard quality of their Merchandise. From groceries to pet food to clothing. When a store the size of Wal-Mart comes into town they allow Murphy Oil to operate on their property, causing the other stations that they supply with fuel to operate at or just above cost, therefore causing the employees of the other stations not to get raises, and or bonuses.
H-Jeanne
08/07 12:30 a.m. Yes I shop at Wal-Mart! Why? Because this is where I get the most product for the dollars spent.
C.A.N.
08/07 12:29 a.m. I DON'T shop at Wal-Mart!! They brag about having only American made merchandise and yet there is merchandise all through the store from foreign countries. The clerks and management are rude, not knowledgeable of products they carry, the store is filthy, too much noise with the music and constant pages. The clothes are of an inferior quality. Their prices are not any lower than their competitors. Who needs them?
Always looking for a Deal
08/07 12:29 a.m. I shop Wal-mart as well as the competitors. I have found that the prices for some of the items I use frequently are cheaper there. I have also noticed that the competitors prices are coming down also so it is nice to have a great deal no matter where you go.
bertha b
08/07 12:29 a.m. Close up shop! Easy for you to say when you haven't invested a lifetime to making your business work. Or have any desire to be your own boss. Its always the other guy. This is Socialism gang and believe me you won't like it when it prevents you and yours from EVER bettering yourself.
Gayle H
08/07 12:28 a.m. I shop at Wal-Mart because if they dont have it You probally dont need it. They have the best prices on most items.
Jennifer
08/07 12:28 a.m. Of course. Super Wal-Marts save time and money. And, with a family to feed and spend time with, you just can't go wrong with getting all your shopping done at one time.
scott
08/07 12:28 a.m. walmart is good for shopping because you can find pretty much anything there that youre looking for, now including groceries there's no reason to drive to four different stores because you would like to think youre supporting the local markets
Target
08/07 12:28 a.m. No, I do not shop at WalMart. I like Target`s better quality clothes and home departments.
Chip D
08/07 12:28 a.m. I do not shop at Walmart, and have no plans to ever shop there. To me, they are the Trailer Park Trash of the retail industry. Their commercials are misleading, "Walmart helps my neighbourhood, bringing in good jobs". WRONG. They are part-time, minimum wage, no benefits, dead-end jobs. That's how they "help" communities and neighbourhoods. The behind the scenes dealings, which the public is not privy to pretty much amounts to extortion. They have so many law suits against them with regards to their labour practices it would make your head spin. They are an evil company that I will never do business with. I'll shop at Target.
Mr. B. Wright
08/07 12:27 a.m. I buy some things at Wal-Mart, however they are not always the lowest in price, so you have to watch what you are doing. Also there are some things they don't have. I think they are a good store and do force the price down some. I know it is tough for the small town business people, but that came about prior to Wal-Mart. I do think it is rotten for people to bring a civil action against Wal-Mart for every little thing like a stub of the toe,,, and this class action pending now is also a bad deal, I hope the court kicks it out and the people that started it.
it saves everyone money.
08/07 00:35 a.m. I do not shop at WalMart however, when a WalMart is in town it makes other retailers lower their price. Everyone wins wether you shop there or not. As far as "small town" stores, if the residents of these small towns would support the local retailer, instead of "getting a better price" these shops would still be around. Everyone loves to say WalMart is evil, but when it comes down to it, everyone would rather save a buck then demonstrate loyalty. Small town retailers are not the only ones feeling the heat. Large retailers such as Best Buy are forced to be competitive also. Simple fact is they bring competition to retailing, if you can't compete or want to cry foul, then close up shop.

Tuesday, August 09, 2005

Arouse in the Other Person an Eager Want - What I believe #3

25 years ago I was on a spiritual search. I poked here and there. I heard lots of people pontificate to me. I had people pray with me and for me.

Then one day my friend Rodney said a few simple words to me that changed me forever.

He knew my searching heart and simply said, God has more for you if you want it.
My curiosity and hunger was piqued. I said I did. He lead me to find what I was looking for and I never looked back since. He's still my friend. Thanks Rod.

He found a place of want in me and auroused it to life.

What do we want? Happiness, Money, Friends, Peace, Security, Love, Joy, and a hundred other things.

Advertising promises that if we wear their clothes, drink their cola, put on their cologne, buy their product our
wants will be met in full. Mostly it's a lie. But the Method isn't wrong.

We want to be persuaded that if we do this or that our wants will be met. If we are dealing with a co-worker, a child, a friend, or a parent, why not try doing what the admen on TV do. Arouse in the other person an eager want. Hold out a promise of what could happen and then ask for action.

Don't write promises with your mouth that you can't cash. Don't lie. But try to make it appealing and worthwhile.

Find their need and fill it

Arouse in the other person an eager want

Monday, August 08, 2005

No Chain at the Chain Store Except the old Ball and Chain

I broke the chain on my Toro Lawn Mower. I decided to fix it Saturday. I decided I needed to get a new chain since the old one was pretty stiff. I am too. (That’s an “old” joke).

So off I trotted to Ace is the Place. Two locations. NO CHAIN. So you are clear, I’m talking drive chain, think motorcycle chain, bicycle chain. Now you got it. This was #40 chain. A pretty common size.

I grew up in the Implement business. We sold chain. Lots of chain. It came on a big roll, we sold it by the foot. We cut it with a large cutting tool.

So I traipsed up and down Randall Road, Home Despot (Depot), Lowes, Menards.

We don’t have chain they said. We only sell things that make lots of money. If it don’t come in a bubble pack we don’t sell it.

The nearest place that MIGHT have had the chain would have been farm and fleet, a 40 mile drive. But they are becoming less and less a real supply store and more a K-Mart with a saddle shop. No confidence there.

We used to have a “Real” hardware store. Valley (Home) Hardware. When Lowes came to town they threw in the towel. Didn’t want to fight the battle.

That’s what I hate about Big Box stores. Low prices low service low wages low loyalty down low!

Prices are low. That’s the ONLY thing about them that makes sense. But, when they come they destroy any semblance of customer service. Billy who waits on you at Wal-Mart in Automotive was in Lingerie the week before and the week before that was a cashier. He makes $9 per hour. Now you ask Billy a question…………..Right. If he knew he wouldn’t be working at Wal-Mart.

So the end result is you get stores self serve with minimum wage plus a little workers driving down the economic base so they can only afford to shop at Wal-Mart et al.

I’m in the nursery business. I watch the independent garden centers try to fight this battle. One of the movers and shakers in the business is responding to the pressure from big box stores by:

  • 1. Firing all the people who know anything (and get paid well for knowing)
  • 2. Stocking only fast moving product (if it doesn’t present X turn we don’t sell it)
  • 3. Hiring at the same level as Wal-Mart. Don’t ask, we don’t know.

This works but it lets the customer fend for himself. The people that work for him know nothing. Worse, they pretend to know something so you have the blind leading the blind.

It’s a ball and chain. When a big box moves to town or an area it causes the full service knowledgeable firms to fold. Is their business model better. It’s obviously more profitable. But better? I don’t think so.

It may be inexorable. But the luddite in me resists shopping at Wal-Mart which was the progenitor of all this madness. Joni Mitchell sang Big Yellow Taxi. One line said: Give me spots on my apples and give me the birds and the bees.

We now have spotless stores with no soul. No owner. No responsibility. No accountability. No involvement in community. And, how long before consolidation takes place when Wal-Mart owns Lowes, Target, Home Depot, and Menard? Everything has a price and Wal-Mart has the money. If you have a superstore in your town that's the only place left to shop. They suck the life out of the rest of the town. USA you're next.

I am sick of the prattle about how much Wal-Mart and the French company Target’ pours back into the local economy. In real measure it’s a drop in the bucket. But the media and the locals rave about it.

This is preparing people for the reign of the anti-Christ. I’m not so sure that these trends won’t be part of the tribulation economy where no man can buy or sell except he had the mark of the beast either on his forehead or in his right hand. I am astounded how fast people sell the souls of their community out for a few cents less per item, never mind that it’s all made in China by people earning money that used to be paid to American workers. Do you remember when Wal-Mart used to tout how they featured or sold Made in America? You don’t hear that anymore. Old man Sam was a decent sort but the beast got away from him.

So, when the day comes that all the big box stores demand that you take the mark or an implantable RFID chip in your body in order to buy or sell there and when they keep track of all your purchases because they own the credit cards, when money is no longer used for most purchases, when every item you buy is tracked, you have been set up for the anti-Christ reign. You’ll wish you had those few bucks you saved back.

Everything I just said in the above paragraph are in the works right now or are already in operation.

Don’t you just love the Wal-Mart brave new world? Seig Heil!

Friday, August 05, 2005

Hell Flyer and Damnation

I just returned from another business trip. I hate hate hate flying. I enjoy the taking off, up in the air and landing part. It’s all the pre and post requisites of the horror.

In a prior post I lambasted the TSA. Ditto. This is becoming ridiculous. What is more ridiculous is that all we like sheep are led to the slaughter without so much as a bleat. Show me your picture ID, show me your boarding pass, go right thru Mr Hassan, hold it grandma Jones, we need to wand you down, strip search you (yikes) and humiliate you.

I stood in line and watched these morons wand a 3-year-old blond kid with his mom, baby sister in a baby carrier and dad standing by.

This is so out of line - completely out of control.

It takes 1 hour 15 minutes to make the flight to Nashville. The prep in and out time (luggage and bus to parking lot) takes 3 hours 12 minutes. It now no longer makes sense to fly to anywhere closer than 5 hours drive time. I wouldn’t think of flying to St. Louis or Indianapolis. I’ll get in the old Buick, fire it up, and burn 40 gallons of gasoline to make the trip.

Flying stinks.

I have a solution:

When you get to the airport and present your ticket they would usher you and your bags into a large shipping container. It’s bar coded like UPS for your destination. You are asleep the whole time. It’s air conditioned. Your bags fly with you in the same container. You never know anything until you get to your destination. They would stack these things in cargo planes like cordwood. You would be unloaded by conveyor and fork lifted 20 at a time to the disembarcment department.

What would it be like?
You lay down and are given a cranial stimulator to have you imagine nice music, a wonderful elegant food court, courteous ticket agents, roomy comfortable seats, gracious flight attendants serving nice food, nice movie and being all around wonderful after which you imagine exiting to your auto and leaving the airport for home. Wouldn’t that be something.

None of that’s true anymore. I used to be much nicer to fly. I hate flying.

Now that I think of it if a family of 4 were flying together, they all had their own suspended animation shipping containers, Billy could end up in Baltimore, Sissy in Toledo, Mom in Birmingham, and Dad would be lost in the system somewhere.

It’s the only answer, I mean real security is in a prison. This society is quickly placing us behind bars and all the maniacs are on the outside. Patriot act, TSA, Security measures of all kinds, we are going over the top and don’t even know it.

I was shocked by this article in the USA today. People are signing up for totalitarianism and don’t even know it. Hitler had an enemy he used to impose absolute control over his country. History repeats.

Barney Fife now runs the TSA. Take away their bullet ---- PLEASE.

Monday, August 01, 2005

If I just Spend a Little more I’ll get so Much More and other Lies

I eat out more than I should and more than my waistline needs. I like a really good restaurant. I enjoy nice ambience. But I’m happiest when I get really good food and really good service at a really good price. The Greeks in our area seem to have an edge on this. They give you the most for the least money of anyone.

We have lots of restaurants that come and go. Too high priced. I know their complaint. We can’t compete. Our costs are too high to make it. Wait staff expects too much.

The essence of the complaint of the restaurateur about to go out of business is if people were just willing to pay a little more they would get so much more.

I’ve been the recipient of the “little more”. It’s indiscernible from the a lot less group.

The restaurant business is tough and cruel. That’s why I’m not in it.

The whole idea of if we just had more money per plate served we could do so much better.

Public education had learned from the restaurateurs.

I’m sick to death of the spending per student quotient as a measure of how much we care. Illinois has the highest, lowest, least, best I don’t know what spending per student.

I won’t point out the fact that many states spend fractionally per student and turn out a good product. Sometimes even great. I won’t point out that in Chicago in some areas per student is now $20,000 plus per year. They still can’t read, write or do arithmetic.

This article in the Chicago Tribune this morning made me nauseous. Text without subscribing here

One more time, spending more doesn’t get you a better meal necessarily nor does it produce a better education. Never did, never will.

In the pursuit of full disclosure, my wife works in the St Charles Schools. I know of what I speak.

Charging for filet mignon and serving McDonalds Double Cheeseburgers.

Sunday, July 31, 2005

Too Many Blondes

We just returned from a long trip to Oklahoma City (IPHC Quadrennial Conference). Had a great time.

While there I noticed something and mentioned it to Peggy. She concurred.

Somehow, at least in the mid south central USA all the young women look the same. They are hard to tell apart. All of them are sort of Jennifer Anniston wannabees except a little blonder. Big white teeth smiles that say, “I had braces, don’t you love my teeth?”

Pretty enough girls. But all identical.

I have this theory, if Dandelions (like in your yard) were rare and hard to grow we would have them cultured in greenhouses, use them in expensive bouquets, and have dandelion breeders developing new and exotic cultivars. But because they are so common we mow them down and breed orchids.

Girls, Girls, Girls, you are becoming dandelions. Ubiquitous. Identical. Pretty enough; But all glamour is no glamour.

Where are the longhaired raven beauties? (I married one) Where are the fiery redheads? Where are the curly haired dazzlers? Where are the slightly heavy Norma Jeans? What about the bob cut sandy haired cuties. And the auburn haired mystery woman, where is she? There are lots of options other than Jennifer and her imitators.

I know blondes have more fun they say. Might it not be fun to be a little different? I think you will have just as much fun.

Besides, peroxide is hard on your hair.

Saturday, July 23, 2005

Self deprecating Candor from Candorville




One of my favorite comics in the paper is Candorville. Written by an African American young man in California. He makes me laugh and wince at the same time. His series on blogging is humorous and humbling. Doesn't mean I'll stop any time soon. It does mean I'll do better, I hope. You'll have to decide.

The Gleaner (Mr. Gene Gleans) is off to Oklahoma to Glean some new things. Where's bunny rabbit and Mr Moose? I'll tell you all about it a week from now. Till then, enjoy Candorville.









Friday, July 22, 2005

How we Might Lose the Iraq War

I saw this picture in the Tribune. Here's the story.

That's her daddy. He was killed by terrorists (Not Insurgents) in Iraq. His job was guarding her school.

She don't know much about Shite or Sunni.

She knows her father's dead.

She doesn't know much about Saddam Hussein.

Those are her fathers feet who carried her as a baby. He won't do that again. Look at the pain in her eyes. This is never going away.

She won't have any opportunity to have daddy at her wedding. When she marries, as I hope she does, she will remember this day with pain.

When a despotic dictator emerges in Iraq who promises that he will get rid of all the bad people who kill little girl's daddies she will submit to his tyranny with willingness. She will do it because she will remember this day. This has happened over and over again in world history. Hitler is the most recent iteration. When the despot emerges the US will not have the collective political will to stop him. We as a country will be happy to hand off the mess that is Iraq of today..

She is the future of Iraq. The USA doesn't matter to her. Daddy did. Daddy was killed. In the old days Daddy wouldn't have been killed, she believes.

This picture is NOT good news to our efforts and the sacrifice of our troops.

Her heart and her mind will be hard to win. She wants her daddy back.

This is a pessimistic future. But it's more pessimistic if we don't win. We must win the war of the hearts and minds of people who have every chance of becoming our enemy. They have declared war. Look at this statement. We must win this war of the hearts and minds and offer this little girl hope and a future. Or Saddam will look like a peanut next to the despot that will follow. This really matters.

Thursday, July 21, 2005

Bending Iron

My first real paying job was in a steel bending factory. I welded. Others bent. In Fargo. I liked it. Still do.

One key lesson I learned that has held me to this day it's if you want a 90 degree bend you have to go to 120. It;it will always try to spring back. If you only go to 90 you'll get 70 and it will be harder to get to 90. It's easier to come back a little than to stretch a little.

SO WHAT?

John Roberts. Not a full 120 degrees. But more than 90. I'm really glad we didn't settle for 70 and hope for a little more.

Souter?

Tuesday, July 19, 2005

How to be a REAL Journalista or something.

A couple weeks ago I read a commentary by Charles Madigan of the Chicago Tribune. I wrote a responce in this blog and sent the link to him. He wrote back. He was very nice. He evidently recieved quite a bit of "Feedback". So I am publishing below his whole response to this. I must confess, I dearly love this kind of give and take. I don't want to argue, I just want to explore ideas. He does that well and his examples are very well done. Thanks Chas.


Handling discourse without the attitude


Published July 19, 2005

Last week we strove to clarify the problem between journalism and conservatives by strongly suggesting a lot of critics just can't handle bad news.

In the wake of way too many e-mails rife with anatomical references, I have decided to revisit the subject by presenting a journalism lesson on the difference between news and commentary.

The earliest archives and oral histories tell us that journalism has its roots in primitive time when a remarkable bird called the foo, tired of predators, decided it should lay its huge eggs while in flight. This doomed the bird, of course, and created history's first aviation hazard. A man named Noog was the first victim, killed by a blow on the noggin from one of the foo's basketball-size eggs.

His friend rushed from the scene and encountered a whole collection of other primitives debating the wisdom of eating oysters, which were slimy, suspicious but, somehow, enticing.

Waving his arms in the air, he shouted, "Noog, is dead!"

A primitive stepped away from the oyster debate.

"What do you mean Noog is dead? Who is Noog? What killed him? When? Where? Why? Are there other Noogs? Aren't we all really Noogs? And you don't need a comma between "Noog" and "is."

Within an hour, word had spread.

In another gathering of primitives, a man whose mate had been stolen by Noog announced: "Frankly, I think it is good Noog is dead. He was liberal, hedonist scum and he should have died long ago. Foo eggs are good." Another stepped forward and said: "Noog did not deserve to die, especially not that way. No one deserves to die that way. Eggs are bad for us."

And there you have it in a nutshell, the births of three important journalism disciplines: news, editing and commentary all in the same place, along with the earliest debates about a subject that remains important to us today, whether eggs might be bad for your health.

It's hard to believe that all of journalism flowed from that ancient incident and, truth be known, it didn't.

I made it all up. The foo bird is a plagiarism, lifted from an old joke in which what falls from the sky is not an egg and the punch line plays with the cliche, "If the shoe fits, wear it."

I can suggest that this is the history of journalism here in this blessed space, which we call "op-ed," because other rules apply in the world of commentary.

News is and should be different.

Critics will never believe it, but there is a delightful simplicity to much of news. Something happens today that didn't happen yesterday, you work it out as best you can and then write a clear, accurate account of it. That is the newspaper model. What you think about it doesn't matter. How you feel in most cases doesn't matter either. It's much more craft than art and I, for one, always loved it.

The problem is that news has become a very challenging subject over the last few decades and its presentation has changed.

Newspapers, television outlets, the Internet, magazines, they are all involved in a life-and-death war over market share. Everyone wants to become more interesting, more provocative, more enticing, as part of that process, and that has warped the way news is presented in many cases.

Political news, for example, is full of nuance, suggestion and, in some cases, manipulation, either on the part of the writer or on the part of the politicians creating the story. The latest arrival on the political writing scene is attitude. Newspapers haven't caught up with it yet, but it is the defining element on the Internet. You need a loud, aggressive voice there that people can either love or hate. And either response is just as valuable.

These are interesting developments on a political landscape on which the words "left" and "right" have no clear meaning, along with their polysyllabic, snootier descriptions, "liberal" and "conservative." They have mutated from actual descriptive words to nothing more than slanders people glue on one another when they hear, see or read what they don't like. And now they are defining criticism of the media. "Liberal" or "right wing" are easy labels to slap on unpleasant commentary or news.

But here's the truth of it. Most of journalism never comes near the world of politics and its hyperboles. Most of journalism is about mundane, local, important events such as zoning battles and tax rates and crime and weather. Most of journalism is still, "Noog, is dead."

As for the part that isn't news, the commentary part, I would suggest the more passionate the voice, no matter what the political slant, the better. That is what makes talk radio so compelling, the clarity of Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly, with whom I agree on just about, oh, Nothing! But I really value the way they do their work because it works so well for their listeners.

As for the rest of it, I'm still not sure about eggs, although I do, indeed, love them, and oysters always have been just fine whenever you can get them.

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Charles M. Madigan is the editor of Perspective and writes The Rambling Gleaner at chicagotribune.com/gleaner. E-mail: cmadigan@tribune.com

Monday, July 18, 2005

Free Bernie Ebbers

What? I can hear you clear over here.

Let me explain. All of the White Collar Criminal Convictions of the last couple year, Tyco, Dynegy, Enron, and all the other are a symptom of a couple cultural changes which may not be for the better.

Ebbers, Ken Lay, Koslowski and all the rest were greedy, stupid, and goaded into the behavior that brought them down. They got on a track and couldn’t get off.

Who put them there? Stockholders. Board of Directors not directing. The desire for a higher and higher PE in the market.

The Directors hire high priced executives, particularly CEO’s. 20, 30 million a year. I don’t want to say, no one is worth that, because I think I am. Of course I don’t have a line of people saying come on in at that kind of money. But is it too much to imagine a highly competent CEO who would do a good job at 2, 3 or 4 million a year. I’m available. When a person is paid that much it causes them to believe they are omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. They aren’t but the want to give the impression they are. Others believe they are. Boards of Directors believe they are. They still aren’t. Stockholders believe they are. It’s all smoke and mirrors. Consider what would happen to a stock if the CEO came out and said, “there are things going on here that don’t look right and I’m trying to get to the bottom of it but I’m having a problem getting information that I need. I don’t know what I can or should do right now. I’ll level with you as soon as I figure this deal out.” Directors would say, “You’re fired” and the stock wouldn’t find a bottom. The CEO in American business is the last messianic figure.

When you are CEO a lot of smoke and sand is pounded up where you don’t want it. People are tugging on you at all times.

I have done this job. I have been President or CEO of several companies. I know what it’s like to have someone lie to you and not know it. I have had to fire people for mistruth. Sometimes the people you decide to take into your confidence become the biggest liars. Before you know it you are in over your head. Then rectifying the situation takes months.

If you want to earn 30 million a year, put your own money at risk, not stock options, and build the value that way.

During the 80’s and 90’s till the .Com bust there was a go go mentality that required CEO’s to have VISION. If as CEO you reported to the Board and Stockholders an accurate conservative appraisal of next year’s sales and profits you were run out on a rail. You weren’t thinking positive enough.

If Bernie Ebbers and Ken Lay did anything wrong they didn’t tell themselves the truth first and then they bought the whole concept of Rah Rah Rah we are the greatest. Wonderful leadership. The cheering intensified as everything went down the drain.

So now we have Sarbanes Oxley. Now we imprison people for Greed, stupidity and hubris.

This has happened before. The French Revolution. The aristocracy was Greedy, Stupid and suffered from Hubris. So the Proletariat cut off their heads. Men Women and Children. If the mob mentality that pervades our courts and populace were allowed to run as wild as it could we would fire up the guillotine again.

Sending Martha, Bernie and Ken to Jail is storming the Bastille.

I’m not proud of our country in this area. I don’t believe a life sentence for Bernie Ebbers is appropriate and I regret supporting anything like this. It could have been me. No one who hasn’t lived this life of pressure and BS can understand the way you can be blinded to reality by the requirement to put on a happy face, not be bearer of bad news.

Put the Directors in Jail. Maybe that’ll help. Off with their heads.

Heads will ROLL!

Life Principles I believe #2

I do business with one of the nicest people you will ever meet. Gary. He is along in years. He has been a successful nurseryman. His people are slavishly loyal to him. Chris who was his manager for many years still sees him as one of the most decent men ever. What caused this incredible loyalty and success?

I know why. He is so thankful to everyone who works for him. He always ends a conversation with me by saying, Thanks so much or Thanks a million, or I really appreciate all your hard work. And he says it because he means it.

How does that make me feel? Like doing more. I go out of my way to do him a good job, to treat him right, to make sure I don’t short him in any way.

He never berates. He asks hard questions. But he always is appreciative.

Thank you, I appreciate you, you are really doing great here. They all get results none of us can imagine. I’m not talking flattery here. We can spot a phony right away. I’m talking HONEST and SINCERE. We can always find something to appreciate about everyone. I mean Hitler had Eva Braun. You can find something to appreciate about that so and so you work with every day.

There is ONE codicil. It must be sincere and sincerely delivered. Honest sincere appreciation. It costs nothing to give and it yields such huge dividends.

So, Give honest sincere appreciation and watch what happens.

Saturday, July 16, 2005

Life Principles I Believe #1

I went to work for an organization where the boss was one of the most critical men I ever knew. No one did anything right. Everyone was an idiot. The worst was, I knew full well that if he talked about others in that way to me, he talked about me that way to others. I never trusted him.

I’m not afraid of criticism. I take it well and hope to learn from it. It’s when someone blows off and berates another person, even to his face that makes the critic small in my and everyone’s else’s eyes.

I have always hated the phrase that started, “I have a little constructive criticism for you”. It’s never constructive and I wish they would hold their tongue. I’m not perfect, I can think of several good sound relationships I have damaged by my sharp tongue. I’m now certain there is no such thing as constructive criticism.

To be condemning of another person for their actions is about the same. I learned long ago not to judge. When I see someone do something I don’t understand, I always think of something my old friend Loehle Gast used to say, “treat everyone as if their heart were breaking because in some way or another it probably is”. That’s why the word IDIOT attached to someone for their actions is hard for me. We don’t know or understand their motivations. If someone is late for work, questions not condemnations will accomplish more. If someone steps out of line in a meeting or social situation, be triply forgiving.

The last is a person who complains constantly about things. We are responsible in part for the answer to every prayer we pray. We are responsible in part for a solution as far as we can for every complaint we lodge. I’m not talking about being a doormat. I’m talking about asking, poking, pulling, questioning. When it becomes complaining, it’s too much.

Any fool can criticize, condemn or complain and most fools do. Don’t be a fool. Be supportive, helpful, encouraging and prod for excellence.

In Short:
Don’t be critical to another person
Never condemn another person for what they say or do
Complaining will get you nowhere

Don’t criticize condemn or complain

Why I am not a Moderate


I have been cussed out, harassed and abused about being extremist. I don't think I am but who knows. I don't believe the voice of moderation ever solved anything. This cartoon by a comic strip named CANDORVILLE (which is not written by any means by a conservative) says it all.

I'm tired of people who have no position, don't know what they believe and are unwilling to make unwavering declarations of principle. President Bush, whatever you think of him is considered stubborn. I consider him principled.

I only hope that in the upcoming Supreme Court battle he has the courage to be steady and nominate someone who will separate the men from the boys, even if it's a girl.

Go for it GWB!

Friday, July 15, 2005

A Day that Reigns

It was 3PM Saturday July 16, 1966. I stood in my one decent suit at the front of the chapel. I was 21 years old. I looked back and there was this beautiful woman (girl) of 18. She came up front. My brother John and Sister Carol stood by our sides. Only Pastor Quello seemed to be in charge. The 30 or so guests, family and friends sat quietly. Pastor Quello’s Wife played “Song of Ruth” on the organ. Pastor spoke about staircases in the Winchester house in California that go nowhere. I didn’t recall the point but it was interesting.

Then he asked us if we did. I said yes, she said yes, we did, have done and still do.

Some tears, some laughter, no one knowing exactly what we were about to get ourselves into. We didn’t. It’s lucky love is blind, stupid, trusting and doesn’t know the future. But OH what we would have missed if our better judgment had taken over. Sometimes faith and a plunge is all that separates us from the destiny that beckons us on.

We all went to the Town House motel dining room in Fargo and had dinner. Ben (my new Father in Law who wasn’t sure about this whole thing) bought.

It’s been a journey of 39 years. I’m glad we took it. There were opportunities for detours and station stops where one of us could have got off the train. But being hard headed Germans neither of us know how to say the words, “I give up”.

She has become my best friend, the only one who I can talk to in such intimate terms, a confessor, and a wonderful companion. She is the love of my life, still turns my crank, beautiful in more ways than you could understand, and as I mentioned to Eric in his blog about his 32’nd wedding anniversary yesterday, Proverbs 31 would sell her short.

So, Peggy, Thank YOU. Thanks to Mom and Dad Scheffert for allowing me to steal away their little girl. Thanks to Jesus who really deserves the credit for being the glue that holds us together in hard times, even when we lean into the punch.

Here’s to YOU, No YOU, No YOU.. This is the one argument we have constantly.

Thursday, July 14, 2005

Please, I'm a big boy now,, stop protecting me

Right now some lawyer somewhere is making a huge amount of money protecting me. I didn't ask him to. He just did.

STOP, For goodness sake STOP already.

I just spent the better part of an hour trying and failing to do something that should take 4 minutes tops. Replacing a heavy duty 3 prong 15 amp connector on a piece of equipment. Old days, remove top, 3 screws, one's green. Put green wire on green screw, other two on others. Reassemble, plug and go.

Now, for $6.80 at Ace is the Place, a convoluted apparatus designed to make sure no wires ever touch, no water ever gets in, no human can actually assemble this.

I wrecked it. I'm angry and frustrated.

I'll do it again. But, this time, I will pick out the device. Or I'll throw out the machine.

Julie talked about the rush toward infinite safety.

I have only one word for you safety nut lawyers, prison is the safest place to be, why don't you go there? Here, just follow Bernie Ebbers (who is innocent) more on that later.

Now I feel better but I still don't have a machine that works.

Wednesday, July 13, 2005

Dinner with the Perfect Stranger

I'm looking forward to this.!

I heard an interview with this the author and his description was fascinating. This is going to be big. As big as Jabez. Just watch.

I wish I had written it. I have always believed that our concept of Jesus was far too stiff. There have been attempts to confer human tendencies to him. But, think of the fact that on this earth he was the subject of much conversation, attracted kids, men, enemies.

He was something. He still is.

I know enough to know religious people will hate this portrayal. Too bad. Jesus is fully man and fully God. That's what we confess. Either it's true or we have to cut it out.

So, buy a copy. I will. This should be fun.

Just put your concepts of what Jesus is like in your back pocket. No long hair, flowing robe, slow deliberate speech. Real, insightful, kind, challenging, forgiving, persistent in love,. That's the Jesus I know.

Tuesday, July 12, 2005

Journalism 101

In today’s Chicago Tribune is a column by Charles Madigan who complains that people (right wing people) hate journalists. That’ bad ol bloggers like me (and maybe you) live parasitically off the reportage of “Journalists”. I beg to differ Mr. Madigan. You don’t make up events. You report them. You live parasitically off events. Where you get into trouble is when you report these events with your own spin.

Let me help you understand this concept.

A dog chased a rabbit across my yard yesterday afternoon. It did not catch it.
ThatÂ’s reporting. The event drives the report. How well you describe the event is journalism.

I saw a flash. A little flash and then a bigger one. The yelp caught me off guard. Rusty, the neighborÂ’s German Shepherd, was in hot pursuit of prey. A bunny rabbit. The little frightened rabbit wove left and then right and with a hop hip-hop disappeared into the weed patch. Rusty sniffed around and soon gave up.
ThatÂ’s better journalism. Word Pictures. Imagery. Descriptive language.

But, thatÂ’s not the journalism that Madigan is defending.

His kind of journalism would say:

Darwin is alive and well. Survival of the fittest prevailed once again. WhereÂ’s your intelligent design in this story? Our neighbor lets his dog run wild. I shouldnÂ’t be surprised. HeÂ’s a republican. Yesterday he trespassed on my yard again for the fifth time. This mongrel was in full pursuit of an innocent wild rabbit. The barking interrupted my reading. I have always felt the underdog had a chance. Soon the aggressive barking dog was bested by superior craft as the rabbit hid in a native planting area we keep as our effort to be environmentally correct. The stupid dog gave up soon. I called the cops and hope they do something about owners who let their dogs run wild. We need better laws. Call your alderman.

ThatÂ’s opinion Journalism. Nothing wrong with the story, except it now has a viewpoint and means itÂ’s fair game to those who take a pot shot at it. And I will. Your opinion and perspective on the event is yours and YOU are subject to being questioned and criticized when you engage in that kind of journalism.

Yellow Journalism (which deserves no quarter) would be:

George Bush has a dog. IÂ’ll bet itÂ’s like the badly behaved dog of the right wing nutcases next door. That stinking mongrel probably is the one who dumps on my lawn all the time. In any case for the 5th time I caught him chasing across my lawn. He was doing what all unfettered wild animals do, chasing a poor defenseless rabbit. We have laws and while the right wing is quick to point out those laws to us when it fits their needs, when their dogs or secretary of defense chase rabbits in Iraq we are supposed to ignore them. What did that rabbit ever do to my neighbors, what did Iraq ever do to us? Yet the dog gave up trying to find the rabbit like we gave up trying to find WMDÂ’s. HeÂ’ll be back. He occupies my lawn like Bush occupies Iraq. HeÂ’s just like that Dog, in fact he is a dog.

So, Mr Madigan. What journalism are you defending? You donÂ’t cause the events you report on. How you report on them is the question.

I have one more piece of news. We like opinion. We like colorful reporting. Just donÂ’t get high and mighty about it. I used to own a news organization (Radio). When I told our news director that his reporting of the news existed to sell advertising he had a fit. But it does. If no one reads you, no ads. So report away, just donÂ’t get all haughty about who or what you are. YouÂ’re a beat reporter with an opinion. That's all.

I posted this column here too for those who don't yet have a free subscription to the Chicago Tribune. You should, it's painless.


UPDATE:
I recieved a nice email from Mr Madigan to whom I had forwarded this link. He is the editor in chief of the Chicago Tribune ( I think). The nicest thing he said was that you and I as bloggers are into something very interesting indeed. I agree. But for those who read this who write for news organizations, don't give up. I confessed to Mr. Madigan (who calls himself Charlie) that I knew nothing about journalism except as a consumer. I guess consumin makes us all experts, right???

Monday, July 11, 2005

People Screwing up America

Bernard Goldberg has written a book, The 100 People Who are Screwing up America. Below is his list. I confess, there are several I don’t know and there are a few I disagree with. But, I agree in spades with several. I think the fact that some people are seen by others as damaging to our culture should give us pause. I know my liberal friends will have a different list. That’s what makes a horserace. I offer my agreement or comment to the side. If you want, copy this and make your own. I must be ignorant of the left wing nuts. I only know 4 of the top ten.

1. · Michael Moore .............In spades, Entertainers shouldn’t pontificate
2. · Arthur Sulzberger
3. · Ted Kennedy ....................Go away, please, please please
4. · Jesse Jackson ..................Harmless little guy
5. · Anthony Romero
6. · Jimmy Carter ..................HUH? Jimmy's ok
7. · Margaret Marshall
8. · Paul Krugman
9. · Jonathan Kozol
10. · Ralph Neas
11. · Noam Chomsky
12. · Dan Rather .......................Arrest Him, oh they did? ok
13. · Andrew Heyward
14. · Mary Mapes
15. · Ted Rall
16. · John Edwards ......................No Crime to be a Phony, is there?
17. · Al Sharpton ..................I like Al, we need him in Conservativille for comic relief
18. · Al Gore .............................Who Cares
19. · George Soros ............ a bad guy, I agree in spades, deport him and his cash
20. · Howard Dean ..........................I think Dean is essential
21. · Judge Roy Moore ...............................WHAT?
22. · Michael Newdow
23. · The Unknown American Terrorist
24. · Lee Bollinger
25. · James Kopp
26. · Dr. Martin Haskell
27. · Paul Begala
28. · Julian Bond................... Didn’t used to be, is now really over the top
29. · John Green
30. · Latrell Sprewell
31. · Maury Povich......................... But his wife is nice
32. · Jerry Springer .........................Yes, enough already
33. · Bob Shrum
34. · Bill Moyers...................................Yep, left wing self rightoutsness
35. · Jeff Danziger
36. · Nancy Hopkins
37. · Al Franken ...............................Out of his element, always dangerous
38. · Jim McDermott
39. · Peter Singer
40. · Scott Harshbarger
41. · Susan Beresford
42. · Gloria Steinem..............................how can you be mean to a playboy bunny?
43. · Paul Eibeler
44. · Dennis Kozlowski
45. · Ken Lay..............................Proof that Positive thinkins isn't always postive
46. · Barbara Walters.........................Saturday Nite Live had her right
47. · Maxine Waters............a case of people get the representation they deserve
48. · Robert Byrd.............................Shakes Rattle and Rolls
49. · Ingrid Newkirk
50. · John Vasconellos
51. · Ann Pelo
52. · Markos Moulitsas
53. · Anna Nicole Smith ..............................Is it wrong to be stupid and fat?
54. · Neal Shapiro
55. · David Westin
56. · Diane Sawyer.....................................AWWWW come on, Diane?
57. · Ted Field
58. · Eminem............................................I like his music, does that make me bad?
59. · Shirley Franklin
60. · Ludacris
61. · Michael Savage................................Wheat or Chaff, you decide
62. · Howard Stern .................................This one I really agree with.
63. · Amy Richards
64. · James Wolcott
65. · Oliver Stone..............So Ollie, who really killed Princess Di, J Harvey Oswald?
66. · David Duke.................................What about his basketball team
67. · Randall Robinson
68. · Katherine Hanson
69. · Matt Kunitz
70. · Jimmy Swaggart ....................Why??
71. · Phil Donahue.............don't speak ill if the dead, he's not dead yet, not dead yet?
72. · Ward Churchill ..................................This guy is dangerous
73. · Barbara Kingsolver
74. · Katha Politt
75. · Eric Foner
76. · Barbara Foley
77. · Linda Hirshman
78. · Norman Mailer...........................Tilt, long ago, bye bye, love ya
79. · Harry Belafonte ..........................He sang about bananas, now he is
80. · Kitty Kelley..........................Her new book, I lie all the time!
81. · Tim Robbins.......... people that take him seriously are too dumb to matter
82. · Laurie David
83. · The Dumb and Vicious Celebrity
84. · The Vicious Celebrity
85. · The Dumb Celebrity
86. · Chris Ofili
87. · Sheldon Hackney
88. · Aaron McGruder
89. · Jane Smiley
90. · Michael Jackson......................We get a freak show and didn't even pay a dime
91. · Barbara Streisand..................Her initials say it all
92. · Kerri Dunn
93. · Richard Timmons
94. · Guy Velella
95. · Courtney Love..............................Earth callling space, come in space
96. · Eve Ensler
97. · Todd Goldman
98. · Sheila Jackson Lee.........................see number 47
99. · Matthew Lesko ..............................I agree, something for nothing is dumb
100 · Rick and Kathy Hilton................as boyfriend Rick sings Springtime in Paris

Sunday, July 10, 2005

The Report I Promised

This has to do with things I promised I would report on after my drive to Columbus Ohio and the Pastor’s conference.

Gasoline prices.
I paid $2.13 & $2.26. OK, I failed to find $1.99 anywhere. Bad weekend. But believe me, the price of Gas is plus or minus 20% of $2 for the next few years. That’s called a trading range. We’re in it for a long time. No breakout in sight.

The Pastor’s conference.
This was the 4th time I have attended this conference with these people. Attendance was lighter than I expected. There has been some attrition. I don’t know if that means much. It’s not unusual to have some retrenching after a strong growth curve. There are some Pastors I have come to know thru all this that I really appreciate. There are a few others who I steer clear of.

The fact is, I have seen the soft underbelly of the Church for 30 years. I have been fortunate/unfortunate to have very personal relationships with several Pastors. I am always astounded by God’s sense of humor in the kind of people he chooses to do his work. I’m more astounded that it gets done.

Some of the best Pastors and leaders I know have been thru hell in their personal lives. Terminal diseases, Terminal marriages, rebellious kids, Church failures, personal failures. I came to know Jim Bakker personally. He is a sterling representation of the kind of failure and renewal God can use.

This doesn’t make any of them less of a man of God. It does make them real. It does soften them for the pain of others.

God has a wonderful way of taking our agenda’s and crushing us. It doesn’t mean we shouldn’t plan or have dreams. We should. We just need to be aware as it says in the book of James: don’t say tomorrow we will go to this city and do that business, rather say, if it be God’s will we will do this or that. (Gene Redlin Paraphrase).

So, even with all the failure, stupidity, egos, pretense, phony baloney, God is still God. And, he wants us to be real with one another.

I love the Church, I love the Body of Christ, I’m frustrated by both, often. But, if Jesus died for her, I have no vote. That’s good enough for me. I’ll do my best to be part of her, to encourage her, to build her, to support her, to lead her.

Anything less is less than God’s best. I’m proud to be among them, failures and all.

Call me Gypsy

This has been making the rounds:

Bold the states you've been to, underline the states you've lived in and italicize the state you're in now...
(I haven't yet figured out how to underline, so Blue = Lived in)

Alabama / Alaska / Arizona / Arkansas / California / Colorado / Connecticut / Delaware / Florida / Georgia / Hawaii / Idaho / Illinois / Indiana / Iowa / Kansas / Kentucky / Louisiana / Maine / Maryland / Massachusetts / Michigan / Minnesota / Mississippi / Missouri / Montana / Nebraska / Nevada / New Hampshire / New Jersey / New Mexico / New York / North Carolina / North Dakota / Ohio / Oklahoma / Oregon / Pennsylvania / Rhode Island / South Carolina / South Dakota / Tennessee / Texas / Utah / Vermont / Virginia / Washington / West Virginia / Wisconsin / Wyoming / Washington D.C. /

This little gig above has made the rounds of Blogs I read. I have been hesitant to make this report. For one reason or another I travel a great deal. When I was 35 this list was much much shorter. Very few of my travels have been vacation. Most of it has been visiting friends, relatives, business and hunting.

So, I have been to all 48 and Hawaii. I’m much older than most of the bloggers I read. That’s why
I’ve been everywhere, man
(country song).

If I have learned ONE thing by all this travel it's that everything is a trade off. There is no good or bad place, just different. And, people are pretty much decent everywhere I’ve ever lived (even internationally). And if you dropped most resourceful people I know in by helicopter anyplace they could speak the language, they would survive and prosper. That's confidence that comes from experience. Step out and explore. But remember who you are and where you came from.

Thursday, July 07, 2005

Conferring of the Holy See, sort of…….

We’re on our way to a Minister’s conference in Columbus Ohio. This is the first of two in July. The other is in Oklahoma City.

These are both mandatory to maintain credentials in our denomination. a sister denomination to the Assemblies of God, IPHC.

Even though I’m not currently working as a pastor or teaching in a regular gig I believe I will be and need to maintain this level of credential. If I weren’t certain I would bail out of this affiliation.

I am looking forward to both conferences however. It helps me keep my finger on the pulse of what’s going on. I will see some people I care about.

Peggy and I will also be seeing a gentleman we know who is in his final days who lives along the route we will be taking. Ministry.

I’ll fill you in on what I see and hear after this meeting. Check back Sunday.

Wednesday, July 06, 2005

If you got the Guts, they got the Money

I ended up moving from North Dakota to Illinois nearly 20 years ago because of the Futures Market. You know, pork bellies, orange juice and Trading Places.

The whole catastrophe.

I have made and lost more money than I want to talk about.

I have gone out on a limb a few times to soothe my nervous friends about the price of oil. So, one more time, here goes:

  • There is no GLOBAL shortage of oil
  • There is an occasional political shortfall of production
  • Refining capacity is a little short of the mark
  • All the market is looking to squeeze every dime out they can

What that means is crude is near it’s high. From here ($45-65 bucks) the price of oil will fluctuate. The odds of it going higher are much less than the odds of it going lower. There are zero fundamentals pushing it.

Every weather pattern (hurricane), every political unrest (Nigeria), every pipeline bombing (Iraq) will cause ripples. But in the big picture, there is not much pressure on the upside for this market.

Gasoline at the pump will fluctuate but pressure keeps it down. I’m still paying $2.20 in high-priced St. Charles. I will pay under $2 this week as I travel to Columbus. I’ll give you a report.

Here’s where speculators are so wonderful. Every day on the trading floor and on computers worldwide traders read about everything in the market, production, war, refineries, OPEC, et al. And the best they can do in this very uncertain time is $65. Let a few things settle down a little and watch the free fall.

If you really believe the market is going to $100 and we’re running out of oil then empty your piggy bank, and buy as much futures contract as far out as you can. You’ll get rich/poor. I’ll bet poor. On the other hand, when it gets to $45, buy.

Isn’t capitalism wonderful?

Tuesday, July 05, 2005

It was all an Illusion

You might believe you saw a negative comment in this space posted yesterday. It was all an illusion.

I had a marvelous time with scintillating conversation, beautiful verbal imagery in conversation deep and rich on July 4.

I can't believe how fortunate I am to have such a good time at so little expense.

If you thought you read something different you need to get your eyes checked.

I learned this from you Eric. Thanks!

Now back to my usual rant and rave.

Sunday, July 03, 2005

Bloggers are all Idiots - They Said

Today's news as exemplified by the Fargo paper regarding sex offender DUNCAN contains the appellation that he was, ready for this? A BLOGGER! See all bloggers are evil.

Is it coincidental that Doonesbury in his "comic" strip today makes fun of bloggers, or that today's Sunday Parade magazine talks of blogging as something less than meaningful, or that today's Chicago tribune has a perjoritive column about the blog and it's pitiful participants. I have another view.

There was an old cops and robbers show named Cannon. Frank Cannon. A big detective (Played by Robert Conrad) drove a huge Lincoln Town Car.

This was a Typical Plot Every Week:

  1. Cannon gets phone call - My Husband died. I think he was killed.
  2. Cannon goes to another town to investigate his death.
  3. After his investigation Cannon tells the widow, looks like he died of just an accident.
  4. Goes to get in his Lincoln
  5. A bullet comes thru the windshield.
  6. Someone doesn't like his poking around.
Maybe her husband's death wasn't accidental. Then the plot thickens.

One other part. The Cops in the town Cannon goes to always resent his investigation. They arrest him. Hassle him. Keep information away from him. Cannon is disrespected. In spite of all the pressure from the establishment he gets the job done.

That's exactly what's going on right now. The establishment press hates us. They wish we would go away. These frontal attacks are a symptom. No one ever kicks a dead dog.

Consider all the negative blogger comments in the press a bullet thru the windshield. We must be poking around where people don't want us to.

Keep it up.

Friday, July 01, 2005

Supreme Court Injustice - A Note to our President

The war is engaged. Sandra Day O'Conner resigns. Here's what to keep in mind.

  1. We elected you George W Bush because we wanted to see the court changed for the better
  2. We elected senators and representatives of a conservative nature for the same reasons
  3. Our court needs to become more judicial and less activist
  4. When liberals controlled and control the congress and the presidency they elect who they darn well please
  5. It's our turn at bat.

So, President Bush, elect the person you think will best execute Supreme Court justice and don't be pushed around by the likes of Ted Kennedy. O'Conner won't be the last in your term as President. I predict at least 2 more. Bite the bullet now and elect the people you should.

They'll hate you anyhow. So WHAT. Nobody ever kicks a dead dog. It's impossible to make peace with the left anyhow.

That's why we voted you in.

Go For It.

Booster Rockets in Life

Some people are a booster rocket for you, and sometimes you are a booster rocket for others. With you for a while and then they drop away or drop you away. Not out of spite, not out of anger but out of necessity. A booster rocket becomes a burden if it stays too long. Todd Beery told me that years ago. I never forgot it.

Last night a booster rocket from my past called. Merrill Oster. We talked a little business and a lot of Jesus. It was wonderful.

I would not be where I am for good or bad without his brief boost in my life. I hope in some way I was that for him.

I think of many good men and women who were booster rockets for me. Bob, Dan, Claire, Earl, Loehle, Steven, and many others.

I hope I have been a booster rocket to others. I get letters and emails from people who make that claim. I’ll take it.

I still have fuel in the old tank. I continue to look for opportunities to saddle on and boost until my usefulness is finished. I want to do this until I die.

I do mourn for the old days sometimes when I was a booster for someone and then the relationship passed. But I look forward to the new ones.

Ol Zig Ziglar said, you'll get everything you want in this life when you help enough other people get what they want.

Need a boost?

Thursday, June 30, 2005

Why Iraq is such a Conundrum

The history of Iraq is a history of the world in microcosm.

This Historical perspective is reviewed here.

  • God Creates the heavens and the Earth Billions of years ago, He creates life. He creates Beings. Some Human like, others mysterious and unknown today.
  • A great catastrophe happens, all life is destroyed. Earth Desolate and Dark 80,000BC
  • God restores light, life, creates the new Garden of Eden and Man in the garden. 15-25000 years ago
  • Adam and Eve emerge from the Garden between the Tigris and Euphrates 5800bc
  • Ancient peoples live in the area and many migrate away from there 5800-3640BC
  • The great flood takes place 3637bc Mesopotamia Flood legends hold this date as well
  • The climate changes radically. 3600-3500bc A garden becomes a desert.
  • Prosperity and population increases from Noah's offspring 3600-3100bc
  • The tower of Babel is built. 3100bc
  • Peoples are dispersed worldwide along with a knowledge of God. 3100BC-2340bc
  • The land of Iraq (Sumerians) comes under contention Sargon and the Arkadian Empire 2340bc
  • Abraham is instructed to leave the county of Ur which is still in Iraq. 2100bc
  • More wars. Babylonian empire 1. Hammarabi 1700bc
  • Nebecanezzer 1 takes control 1119-1098bc Babylon reigns
  • Chaldeans conquert the area of Mesopotamia (Iraq) 800BC and rule until thd Assyrians
  • The Assyrians posses part of the land for a while and then lose it back to the Persians. 700bc
  • The capital city of Nineveh capital of Assyria is warned by Jonah to repent. 652bc
  • It does for a while 652-620 It backslides
  • Ninevah is destroyed in BC 612..
  • Persia takes control briefly (Darius) then loses it. 595bc
  • Kings of Babylon emerge.Nebecanezzer takes much of Israel and Judah into captivity 604-562bc
  • Babylon built up on the Tower Ruins 582BC
  • When Babylon falls Jews return to Israel 525bc
  • Iraq falls back into civil war and is conquered several times 500-200bc
  • For 900 + years Iraq becomes part of the Persian Empire (Iran) 200bc-700ad
  • 7th century Persia loses Iraq to the Muslims who conquer the land
  • Various Muslim Kings and Caliph’s rule 700-1500ad
  • Turkmen conquer Iraq and hold it from 15th century until early 20th
  • The British invade Mesopotamia and take it from the Turkish Ottoman Empire in war. (not the same as Turkmen who are from Turkmenistan area) 1912
  • British carve up the country'’s oil reserves leaving nothing for the Iraqi'’s 1920
  • The Kurds are promised a homeland but get nothing. 1933
  • The British set up puppet rulers. 1921-1958 Several reign and fall
  • 1945 Iraq joins the UN (still basically a British protectorate)
  • Kuwait spits off of Iraq which was a “State” up till then 1961
  • Rebellion hits. Jordan is involved. The rulers are killed, hung, butchered 1961-1970
  • 1961 Independence from Britain for Iraq
  • 27 military coups. Bathists in Bathists out. Bakar takes control 1965
  • Saddam Hussein emerges and succeeds Bakur in 1979
  • 1980-88 Iran Iraq war. Over Land. Iran tries to take Iraq. War ends Iraq Broke.
  • Flat Broke, he goes for broke, Saddam invades Kuwait to take it back.
  • Gulf war. 1990
  • UN Sanctions completely destroy economy 1991-2000
  • Iraqi War 2003
  • Saddam Toppled 2003
  • 2005 First Free Elections.
You know the rest

I bore you with all this to say, this is a land that has been under a long cursed history. There is no peace. There never has been. Countries in order who have some actual rights to it are 1. Turkey 2. Iran 3. Jordan

All of these things are unintended consequences for meddling and greed particularly on the part of the British. In the past it has been about oil.

But, for the first time in HISTORY the potential of a self-governed people exists. It has never ever happened before, nor has such a chance ever been.

If it works, perhaps the curse will be broken. Long view starts in the Garden of Eden. If you ever have any trouble reading the Old Testament, study Iraqi history and then Study many of the books of the Old Testament. Much took place on this bloody ground. It reads like a newspaper.

I believe that this war and its aftermath is metaphysical and prophetic in scope. Far beyond what any news talking head can grasp. Read Revelations, consider Germany and Japan'’s emergence in power after WWII. Then consider Iraq.

Babylon Babylon.

Read your Bible, it'’s true.

Wednesday, June 29, 2005

War has Never Solved Anything

Except

  • The end of slavery and the maintenance of the union was solved by war.
  • The Struggle to free the colonies in America from British Domination was solved by war.
  • The Potential domination and oppression of Europe by Germany in the early part of the 20th century was solved by war.
  • The Second attempted domination of Europe and Great Britain by the Nazis of Europe was solved by war.
  • The Power Grab by Japan of the Far East and bringing a cruel oppressive regime into the 20th century to become a great economic power was solved by war.
  • The attempted Land Grab of Kuwait by an evil Dictator in Iraq was solved by the Gulf War.
  • The Genocide in former Yugoslavia was solved by war.

Sometimes War is the last solution when all else fails. Once you (we) pull the trigger we cannot turn back until victory is complete. OR we invite another tyrant or zealot to attack us once again.

And now, we are at war, not on our soil by our choice, to stop this war of terrorism from being on our soil once more. This evil must be stopped, wiped out and made an example of. The other nations who watch must understand that we will not allow ourselves to live under the tyranny and fear that stateside terrorism brings. We will find them, we will kill them and we will allow a people to be free. Not in their interests but in our own. Tyranny must be crushed.

War is not THE answer, it’s not THE solution, it’s the only thing that will work when the world no longer does.

We cannot back down.

We must prevail.
We will prevail.
We will prevail.

God Bless President Bush. Pray for him.

The Modern Lawn






The other day I was visiting a friend of mine who runs a garden center near here. He is 80 years old and a joy to be with. We were talking about he “Olden Days”. Something I do more than I used to.

With the severe drought and hot weather we have had in Northern Illinois we are seeing long established trees dying and shrubs drying up. There will be a huge replanting boom for those of us in the business.

I hate to see a tree die. None in my yard are (except one).

One offshoot of the drought is the grass. The city of Chicago has given up trying to keep the grass green. Keep the trees and shrubs alive and let the grass go brown. Good policy.

The only thing in our lawn that’s still green is the clover. You know, that low growing stuff, little white pom poms for flowers.

In the late 40’s and 50’s people planted clover for their lawns. You never have to mow it. It stays green all summer. It kills out any other plants (weeds). It’s pretty if you like that kind of thing. And if you look hard enough you just might find a 4 leafer and your luck will change.

In Ellendale where I grew up there were several lawns that were pure clover. My friend at the garden center still sells a fair amount of clover seed to people who have begun putting in clover lawns again.

So, lets see, a weed free lawn, never turns brown, never needs mowing and is all green all year long. Why don’t we all have clover lawns? I’ll tell you why.

2-4D. I remember when it was introduced in the 50s. It was a miracle. Spray it on your crops and all the mustard goes away.

This article helps understand why The Modern Lawn. you see in commercials isn’t such a good thing. Those boys in shorts bragging about their perfect lawns in the Scott’s commercials aren’t doing themselves or anyone else any good. It always irritates me.

I love diversity in my lawn. My wife Peggy loves it less than I do. Give me 40 or 50 various things growing in among the grass and I’m happy. She likes grass.

Well, it’s not normal. I’m not some organic nut. I spray roundup and I kill dandelions with 2-4D in a spot application. But the years we had Chem-Lawn come around and make our lawn a uniculture I think were bad years.

Grass wasn’t meant to be green all year long. Dormancy is a good thing. Grass shouldn’t be just one kind.

The chemicals we treat out lawns with are not harmless.

Oh by the way, we no longer have clover lawns because 2-4D came in and it killed the clover when you sprayed for weeds in your grass.

So, now we have GRASS as far as the eye can see except at the Redlins. I keep reclaiming the sod for perennial beds a little at a time. Eventually we won’t have to mow at all.

I’m looking over, a 4-leaf clover that I’d overlooked before………….

Tuesday, June 28, 2005

I Missed the Whole Parade

We just had our Gay Pride parade in Chicago. I wasn’t in it. I missed it on TV. It would have been rated XXX. I’ll recover.

I have a few questions if anyone cares:

  • Is anyone but me sort of sick in the gut of all this I’m more out than you are stuff?
  • When is the last time you hung out your genitalia and bragged of being more heterosexual than anyone else?
  • Isn’t it stupid or is it just me that every TV news team has to make an appearance now or be considered close minded?
  • Is a parade that has nudity in spades, simulated (or maybe not so simulated) sex acts and large floats of phallic symbols raise just a question or two in your mind?
  • Heterosexuals have some displays of sexuality and other things. Mardi Gras comes to mind. But, this is that times 50. Is that OK with you?
  • Isn’t some of this just in your face-ism and not a good time as they might claim?
  • Is this a sign of a good healthy civilization or is it something far less?

If you have the answers to all this please help me understand. I know and care deeply about many friends who are part of this lifestyle choice. I know enough to know that Gay is far from the way I would describe it. In fact depressed and prickly is the real moniker.

So, lets call it for what it is. The I’m Depressed and Prickly Pride Parade.

Signing up anyone?

Sunday, June 26, 2005

Hillary for President

The Story hitting the press tonight which in essence has Billy Graham endorsing Hillary Clinton for President (even if it's a little tongue in cheek).

The truth is many people of faith and even many conservative thinking people are taking a hard look at Hillary. Why? Because she has guts. Something missing in most politicians today.

I think the train has left the station and unless it's derailed we better get ready to say Madame President. Other than Conde Rice the conservative flavor have no one of equal stature or conviction. I have looked hard and I don't see ANYONE on the horizon. McCain is DOA. He has too much baggage and has been weak. Someone would have to come out of the woodwork to give Hillary a run for her money.

So hang on to your hats. Hillary is on a roll.

Public Radio Lament

OK, I admit, this is one of those I remember when posts. It was 1973. I was near Grand Forks ND on a sales call. I was tuning around the radio dial trying to avoid both kinds of music, country and western and happened across an AM frequency with dink da dink da dink…. All things Considered with Susan Stamberg. In fact in 1976 I visited NPR studios in Washington DC and met Susan and Bob Edwards. I’ll never forget it. When a story was done Susan would say, bring up the “dinks”. Dink Dink Dink………

I was a hardcore fan. Clever, intelligent, insightful, right questions. Public Radio became my friend. A few years later I began faithfully following the woes of Lake Woebegon. Went to live shoes. Bob Edwards morning edition with Red Barber. Wow. I matured with these folks and love them today.

I pretty much listened ONLY to public radio. When KDSU (North Dakota State’s campus radio) went full power and they began to play very alternative acoustic stuff I was hooked.

So other than owning a Volvo (which my brother Steve did, he let me drive it) I was a classic NPR nerd. I even owned a corduroy jacket with leather elbow patches.

But like religion Public Radio began to change or maybe I did. It began to take a position. It began to advocate. It began to see it’s franchise as balancing the right wing in this country. Younger more liberal outspoken voices moved in.

All Things Considered still does great. Morning Edition does OK. Weekend Morning Edition (Saturday with Scott Simon) is good. But Sunday Edition with Leanne Hansen, Diane Reems, and several others have just lurched to the far left nuthouse.

Oh they have their apologist ombudsman who is on Talk of the Nation with Neil Conen who is supposed to allay fears that they are left leaning. NOT!

So now the feces has hit the fan. Public broadcasting is about to enter the free market. I’m not sure this is good. I’m not sure this is bad. I am sure this means (as Adam said to Eve as the left the Garden of Eden) things are going to change.

Here’s what I hope. Housecleaning of really leftist types. We can live without them. Others more mainstream working harder for balance. When balance is needed try harder to get voices from the right who really represent the right. I’m constantly irritated by the religious voice being some pinhead without faith from a school of theology at an Ivy League college. They know nothing about God.

Now when they have their pledge drives I’ll feel better about sending money. I have up until now felt like a pagan co conspirator supporting evil liberal public broadcasting. They have been blatant in promulgating a view I abhor and I send them money. Come on PBS, make me feel better about supporting you. I won’t feel like I’ll have to wear a mask or send it anonymously.

And, lets see some exits of leftist, pro gay, pro abortion, anti religion folks and get a little more in the center. OK?

I was there before you were, who moved? You can do better.